Miscellaneous bacteria, part 2

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From Diana S. Zhang, apropos of the recent post "Miscellaneous bacteria":

The Chinese says:

jūn wáng jiàng 菌王醬
(lit., "bacteria / fungus / mushroom king sauce", i.e., "mushroom sauce")

The Japanese says:

kin'ō-chan or kin ō-chan [depending or your preference] 菌王ちゃん
(lit., "bacteria / fungus / mushroom king cutey")

The Chinese version is hard enough to make sense of, but the Japanese wording is even more opaque.  Here are some attempts by befuddled Japanese specialists to grapple with it.

Nathan Hopson:

The term doesn't exist in Japanese. It would be 菌王醤 (same as the Chinese), which is just a kind of mushroom sauce, right?

Cecilia Segawa Seigle:

I have never heard of this sauce in Chinese, English, or Japanese.

菌王 is indeed Bacteria King — and 醤 is sauce.  But what is 菌王ちゃん????  It sounds like the diminutive "太郎ちゃん" "花ちゃん。"

I think the Chinese didn't know how to translate 醤 into Japanese, so just spelled out the Chinese reading of 醤 in HIRAGANA. The Japanese write the word "sauce"  ソース。

So, if anything, it should be written 菌王ソース.

Hiroko Kimura Sherry:

きんおうちゃん・kin ou chan

I am not sure, but something like 'little powerhouse bacty'?

It seems that machine translators, and untutored human translators as well, have a strong preference for "bacteria" over "mushroom; fungus" for jūn 菌, even in cases where the reference is clearly to an edible fungus.  The problem could be avoided if menu and recipe writers would use the disyllabic word mógū 蘑菇 / 磨菇 ("mushroom") more often instead of jūn 菌 ("bacteria; fungus; mushroom"), but somehow the monosyllable jūn 菌 sounds more elegant to many of those who are charged with writing menus and food books (not to me! — I prefer the vernacular flavor and clarity of disyllabicism).

[Thanks to Yixue Yang and Zeyao Wu]



4 Comments

  1. unekdoud said,

    January 15, 2019 @ 1:44 am

    醬 is actually the Chinese (slang) loanword for ちゃん, so it's entirely possible that machine translation picked up on the connection and reversed it.

  2. richardelguru said,

    January 15, 2019 @ 7:21 am

    Not to be indelicate, but looking at the contents of that bowl leads me to a sneaking suspicion that the English may be more accurate than the Chinese.

  3. dainichi said,

    January 15, 2019 @ 7:30 pm

    There are a couple of character variants
    醬酱醤
    The one in the picture is the second, simplified one, not the first, traditional one. The third is the variant usually used in Japan.

    > 醬 is actually the Chinese (slang) loanword for ちゃん

    In the other direction, 醬 is usually rendered ジャン /jaN/ in recent loans from China/Korea, such as 豆板醤 /to:baNjaN/ and コチュジャン /kochujaN/ (which I believe is originally 苦椒醬).

    The more common Japanese reading of 醤 is its kan-on reading /sho:/ as in 醤油 /sho:yu/, soy sauce.

  4. Thomas Lumley said,

    January 20, 2019 @ 10:57 am

    Mighty little fun guy?

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