{"id":64363,"date":"2024-06-05T10:45:00","date_gmt":"2024-06-05T15:45:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=64363"},"modified":"2024-06-05T17:04:51","modified_gmt":"2024-06-05T22:04:51","slug":"spelling-manchu-with-chinese-characters","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=64363","title":{"rendered":"Spelling Manchu with Chinese characters"},"content":{"rendered":"<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\">\r\n<p dir=\"ltr\" lang=\"en\">Oh wow this is an AMAZINGLY FASCINATING find! The 'Chinese characters' seem intractable, but are just phonetically written Mandarin syllables (initial, nucleus, coda): <br \/>c(e) \u7b56+ e \u984d + (e)ng \u97a5 = ceng<br \/>Next to it a Manchu transcription: \u186e\u185d\u180b\u180a\u1829<br \/><br \/>I wonder where it comes from? <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/p2T42WANGD\">https:\/\/t.co\/p2T42WANGD<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/z9V2DO5SaC\">pic.twitter.com\/z9V2DO5SaC<\/a><\/p>\r\n\u2014 Egas Moniz-Bandeira \u1821\u1864\u1820\u1830 \u182e\u1823\u1828\u1822\u1830 \u182a\u1820\u1828\u1869\u180b\u1820\u1836\u1822\u1837\u1820 (@egasmb) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/egasmb\/status\/1798115890237481469?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">June 4, 2024<\/a><\/blockquote>\r\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\r\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\r\n<p>See also <a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/A_Camposaran\/status\/1798108438615998699\">here<\/a>.<\/p>\r\n<p>Lots of graphemes for few phonemes and morphemes<\/p>\r\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\r\n<p><b>Selected reading<\/b><\/p>\r\n<ul>\r\n<li>\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Polyglot Manchu emperor\" href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=58356\" rel=\"bookmark\">Polyglot Manchu emperor<\/a>\" (4\/6\/23)<\/li>\r\n<li>\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=48227\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p%3D48227&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1680790100237000&amp;usg=AOvVaw2MYB5qr0bqMB56Vgv3Neoi\">Manchu 'princess' speaking English<\/a>\" (8\/23\/20)<\/li>\r\n<li>\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=53919\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p%3D53919&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1680790100237000&amp;usg=AOvVaw1iYGx6bh1aFLCIdTb4rI0D\">Mandarin and Manchu semen<\/a>\" (3\/11\/22)<\/li>\r\n<li>\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=46044\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p%3D46044&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1680790100237000&amp;usg=AOvVaw1DRbgpD6E8HGjGvTGxL-YN\">Sino-Manchu seals of the Xicom Emperor<\/a>\" (2\/12\/20)<\/li>\r\n<li>\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=25119\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p%3D25119&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1680790100237000&amp;usg=AOvVaw2xSLvJD0qHF7WHv_Ns0X_u\">Manchu illiteracy<\/a>\" (4\/14\/16)<\/li>\r\n<li>\u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=50860\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p%3D50860&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1680790100237000&amp;usg=AOvVaw24kD8orUWbOSWHXdA3kbdJ\">Ornamental Manchu: the lengths to which a forger will go<\/a>\u201d (4\/24\/21)<\/li>\r\n<li>\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=51286\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p%3D51286&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1680790100237000&amp;usg=AOvVaw1OjcaCOHUffQQcczH2s5t_\">Faux Manchu: Ornamental Manchu II<\/a>\" (6\/23\/21)<\/li>\r\n<li>\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=34726\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p%3D34726&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1680790100237000&amp;usg=AOvVaw1-4LVcUg71JBF4zArUoO_G\">Sibe: a living Manchu language<\/a>\" (9\/30\/17)<\/li>\r\n<li>\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=52259\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p%3D52259&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1680790100237000&amp;usg=AOvVaw3NJXNC1YC_C4VF43eKAZn7\">Sibe and the revival of Manchu<\/a>\" (10\/4\/21)<\/li>\r\n<li>\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=23524\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p%3D23524&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1680790100237000&amp;usg=AOvVaw0ZrNc1-IMYg_NXCAxE2AZb\">A rebirth for Manchu?<\/a>\" (1\/16\/16)<\/li>\r\n<li>\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=30121\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p%3D30121&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1680790100237000&amp;usg=AOvVaw2s3w99UtDxct3bjvdH6Hl3\">Manchu film<\/a>\" (12\/31\/16)<\/li>\r\n<li>\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=7502\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p%3D7502&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1680790100237000&amp;usg=AOvVaw0CNmAcrjb1tn2ydA0TDLCm\">Manchu loans in northeast Mandarin<\/a>\" (10\/17\/13)<\/li>\r\n<li>\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Ask Language Log:  Manchu Blue Dragon\" href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=62434\" rel=\"bookmark\">Ask Language Log: Manchu Blue Dragon<\/a>\" (2\/13\/24)<\/li>\r\n<li>\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Spelling with Chinese character(istic)s, pt. 5\" href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=63757\" rel=\"bookmark\">Spelling with Chinese character(istic)s, pt. 5<\/a>\" (4\/28\/24)<\/li>\r\n<li>\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Spelling with Chinese character(istic)s, pt. 4\" href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=26606\" rel=\"bookmark\">Spelling with Chinese character(istic)s, pt. 4<\/a>\" (7\/4\/16)<\/li>\r\n<li>\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Spelling with Chinese character(istic)s, pt. 3\" href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=26477\" rel=\"bookmark\">Spelling with Chinese character(istic)s, pt. 3<\/a>\" (6\/30\/16)<\/li>\r\n<li>\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Spelling with Chinese character(istic)s\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=26204\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"bookmark noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?hl=en&amp;q=http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p%3D26204&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1467433533256000&amp;usg=AFQjCNECOsD6rrgmbchnhK0K0SWwb3WU3A\">Spelling with Chinese character(istic)s, pt. 2<\/a>\" (6\/16\/16)<\/li>\r\n<li>\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Spelling with Chinese character(istic)s\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=8580\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"bookmark noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?hl=en&amp;q=http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p%3D8580&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1467433533256000&amp;usg=AFQjCNEZzH7adz-hc8O5c_TuWofvkCFW1g\">Spelling with Chinese character(istic)s<\/a>\" (11\/21\/13)<\/li>\r\n<li>\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Writing English with Chinese characters\" href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=19320\" rel=\"bookmark\">Writing English with Chinese characters<\/a>\" (6\/3\/15)<\/li>\r\n<li>\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Sinographically transcribed English\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=2864\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"bookmark noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?hl=en&amp;q=http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p%3D2864&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1467433533256000&amp;usg=AFQjCNFdXwdNR75Y9hm7ehGYMtlRIY0c2Q\">Sinographically transcribed English<\/a>\" (12\/26\/10)<\/li>\r\n<li>\"<a title=\"Permanent link to \" href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=8421\" rel=\"bookmark\">'Spelling' English in Cantonese<\/a>\" (11\/17\/13)<\/li>\r\n<\/ul>\r\n<p>[h.t. Geoff Wade]<\/p>\r\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Oh wow this is an AMAZINGLY FASCINATING find! The 'Chinese characters' seem intractable, but are just phonetically written Mandarin syllables (initial, nucleus, coda): c(e) \u7b56+ e \u984d + (e)ng \u97a5 = cengNext to it a Manchu transcription: \u186e\u185d\u180b\u180a\u1829 I wonder where it comes from? https:\/\/t.co\/p2T42WANGD pic.twitter.com\/z9V2DO5SaC \u2014 Egas Moniz-Bandeira \u1821\u1864\u1820\u1830 \u182e\u1823\u1828\u1822\u1830 \u182a\u1820\u1828\u1869\u180b\u1820\u1836\u1822\u1837\u1820 (@egasmb) June 4, [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":13,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_exactmetrics_skip_tracking":false,"_exactmetrics_sitenote_active":false,"_exactmetrics_sitenote_note":"","_exactmetrics_sitenote_category":0,"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[51,24,189,18],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-64363","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-morphology","category-phonetics-and-phonology","category-transcription","category-writing-systems"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/64363","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/13"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=64363"}],"version-history":[{"count":7,"href":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/64363\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":64409,"href":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/64363\/revisions\/64409"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=64363"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=64363"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=64363"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}