{"id":47914,"date":"2020-08-03T11:23:33","date_gmt":"2020-08-03T16:23:33","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=47914"},"modified":"2020-08-03T19:39:55","modified_gmt":"2020-08-04T00:39:55","slug":"idle-thoughts-on-gelding","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=47914","title":{"rendered":"Idle thoughts on \"gelding\""},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The title and the following observations come from Rebecca Hamilton:<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">I was reading Patrick Leigh Fermor's <i>Between the Woods and the Water: on Foot to Constantinople<\/i>, as I convalesce from COVID-19 (I've had a hard time of it), and I stumbled upon an aside he made about the French \"hongre,\" meaning \"gelding,\" as does the German \"wallach.\" He made this comment &#8211; without further explication &#8211; in the context of a discussion of the ethnographic roots of Hungarians, Wallachians, and Rumanians (in particular, the latter as being descendants of Roman occupation, if not Romans themselves). What all this means, I cannot say. It seemed like a topic you would know something about. Because I am confined to bed for the moment, if you could be so kind as to forward me some reading material, I would be very grateful. Also, anything about \"Wales\" or \"Welsh\" sharing etymological roots with \"Wallach,\" and how \"wether\" fits into all this would be great.<\/p>\r\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\r\n<p>This is a tall, but very interesting and challenging, order, so I hardly know where to begin.\u00a0 Somewhat arbitrarily, I'll start near the end, with \"Wallach\", because I know (and know of) people with that surname (most notably Eli Wallach [1915-2014]), and I'm curious to learn how their surname got wrapped up in that enigma.<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">From <span class=\"etyl\"><a class=\"extiw\" title=\"w:Middle Low German\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Middle_Low_German\">Middle Low German<\/a><\/span> <i class=\"Latn mention\" lang=\"gml\"><a class=\"new\" title=\"wallache (page does not exist)\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/w\/index.php?title=wallache&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1\">wallache<\/a><\/i>, borrowed in Prussia\/Baltics from older <span class=\"etyl\"><a class=\"extiw\" title=\"w:Russian language\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Russian_language\">Russian<\/a><\/span> <i class=\"Cyrl mention\" lang=\"ru\"><a title=\"\u0432\u043e\u043b\u043e\u0445\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%85#Russian\">\u0432\u043e\u043b\u043e\u0445<\/a><\/i> <span class=\"mention-gloss-paren\r\n        annotation-paren\">(<\/span><span class=\"mention-tr tr Latn\" lang=\"ru-Latn\">volox<\/span><span class=\"mention-gloss-paren\r\n        annotation-paren\">)<\/span>, from <span class=\"etyl\"><a class=\"extiw\" title=\"w:Proto-Slavic\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Proto-Slavic\">Proto-Slavic<\/a><\/span> <i class=\"Latinx mention\" lang=\"sla-pro\"><a title=\"Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic\/volx\u044a\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic\/volx%D1%8A\">*volx\u044a<\/a><\/i>, from <span class=\"etyl\"><a class=\"extiw\" title=\"w:Proto-Germanic language\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Proto-Germanic_language\">Proto-Germanic<\/a><\/span> <i class=\"Latinx mention\" lang=\"gem-pro\"><a title=\"Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic\/walhaz\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic\/walhaz\">*walhaz<\/a><\/i>. Compare <span class=\"etyl\"><a class=\"extiw\" title=\"w:Polish language\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Polish_language\">Polish<\/a><\/span> <i class=\"Latn mention\" lang=\"pl\"><a title=\"wa\u0142ach\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/wa%C5%82ach#Polish\">wa\u0142ach<\/a><\/i>, which is also a borrowing from East Slavic. The Slavic word means \u201cRomance speaker\u201d, especially one of Romania, i.e. a <a title=\"Wallachian\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/Wallachian\">Wallachian<\/a> or <a title=\"Vlach\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/Vlach\">Vlach<\/a>. Wallachian herdsmen are credited with having invented a new form of castration.<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/Wallach\">Wiktionary<\/a><\/p>\r\n<p>So the surname \"Wallach\" really does have something directly related to Rebecca's idle thoughts on \"gelding\".<\/p>\r\n<p>Before tackling \"wether\" and \"Wales \/ Welsh\", then moving upward through Rebecca's packed paragraph, perhaps a few words about \"gelding\", and why it's not an idle topic at all.<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">From <span class=\"etyl\"><a class=\"extiw\" title=\"w:Middle English\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Middle_English\">Middle English<\/a><\/span> <i class=\"Latn mention\" lang=\"enm\"><a class=\"new\" title=\"geldyng (page does not exist)\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/w\/index.php?title=geldyng&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1\">geldyng<\/a><\/i>, <i class=\"Latn mention\" lang=\"enm\"><a class=\"new\" title=\"geldynge (page does not exist)\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/w\/index.php?title=geldynge&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1\">geldynge<\/a><\/i>, from <span class=\"etyl\"><a class=\"extiw\" title=\"w:Old Norse\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Old_Norse\">Old Norse<\/a><\/span> <i class=\"Latn\r\n        mention\" lang=\"non\"><a title=\"geldingr\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/geldingr#Old_Norse\">geldingr<\/a><\/i> <span class=\"mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren\">(<\/span><span class=\"mention-gloss-double-quote\">\u201c<\/span><span class=\"mention-gloss\">wether, eunuch<\/span><span class=\"mention-gloss-double-quote\">\u201d<\/span><span class=\"mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren\">)<\/span>, from <i class=\"Latn mention\" lang=\"non\"><a title=\"gelda\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/gelda#Old_Norse\">gelda<\/a><\/i> <span class=\"mention-gloss-paren\r\n        annotation-paren\">(<\/span><span class=\"mention-gloss-double-quote\">\u201c<\/span><span class=\"mention-gloss\">to castrate<\/span><span class=\"mention-gloss-double-quote\">\u201d<\/span><span class=\"mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren\">)<\/span>, equivalent to <i class=\"Latn mention\" lang=\"en\"><a title=\"geld\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/geld#English\">geld<\/a><\/i> <span class=\"mention-gloss-paren\r\n        annotation-paren\">(<\/span><span class=\"mention-gloss-double-quote\">\u201c<\/span><span class=\"mention-gloss\">to castrate<\/span><span class=\"mention-gloss-double-quote\">\u201d<\/span><span class=\"mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren\">)<\/span> +\u200e <i class=\"Latn mention\" lang=\"en\"><a title=\"-ing\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/-ing#English\">-ing<\/a><\/i> <span class=\"mention-gloss-paren\r\n        annotation-paren\">(<\/span><span class=\"ann-pos\">diminutive suffix<\/span><span class=\"mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren\">)<\/span>.<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/gelding\">Wiktionary<\/a><\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">A <b>gelding<\/b> is a <a title=\"Castration\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Castration\">castrated<\/a> <a title=\"Horse\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Horse\">horse<\/a> or other <a class=\"mw-redirect\" title=\"Equine\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Equine\">equine<\/a>, such as a <a title=\"Donkey\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Donkey\">donkey<\/a> or a <a title=\"Mule\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Mule\">mule<\/a>. Castration, as well as the elimination of hormonally driven <a title=\"Horse\r\n        behavior\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Horse_behavior\">behavior<\/a> associated with a <a title=\"Stallion\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Stallion\">stallion<\/a>, allows a male horse to be calmer and better-behaved, making the animal quieter, gentler and potentially more suitable as an everyday <a title=\"Working animal\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Working_animal\">working animal<\/a>. The <a title=\"Gerund\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Gerund\">gerund<\/a> and <a title=\"Participle\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Participle\">participle<\/a> \"gelding\" and the infinitive \"to geld\" refer to the castration procedure itself.<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">The verb \"to geld\" comes from the <a class=\"mw-redirect\" title=\"Old Norse language\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Old_Norse_language\">Old Norse<\/a> <i>gelda<\/i>, from the adjective <i>geldr<\/i> (\"barren\"). The noun \"gelding\" is from the Old Norse <i>geldingr<\/i>.<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">The <a title=\"Scythians\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Scythians\">Scythians<\/a> are thought to have been the first people to geld their horses. They valued geldings as <a title=\"Horses in warfare\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Horses_in_warfare\">war horses<\/a> because they were quiet, lacked mating urges, were less prone to call out to other horses, were easier to keep in groups, and were less likely to fight with one another.<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Gelding\">Wikipedia<\/a><\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><a class=\"word__name--TTbAA word_thumbnail__name--1khEg\" title=\"Origin and meaning of geld\" href=\"https:\/\/www.etymonline.com\/word\/geld#etymonline_v_1344\">geld\u00a0(v.)<\/a><\/p>\r\n<section class=\"word__defination--2q7ZH undefined\" style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">\"to castrate,\" c. 1300, from Old Norse <i><span class=\"foreign\">gelda<\/span><\/i> \"to castrate,\" said in Watkins to be from Proto-Germanic <span class=\"foreign\">*<i>galdjan<\/i><\/span> \"to castrate,\" from PIE <span class=\"foreign\">*<i>ghel-<\/i><\/span> (3) \"to cut.\" Related to other words which, if the derivation is correct, indicate a general sense of \"barren.\" Compare Old Norse <i><span class=\"foreign\">geld-fe<\/span><\/i> \"barren sheep\" and <i><span class=\"foreign\">geldr<\/span><\/i> (adj.) \"barren, yielding no milk, dry,\" which yielded Middle English <i><span class=\"foreign\">geld<\/span><\/i> \"barren\" (of women and female animals); also Old High German <i><span class=\"foreign\">galt<\/span><\/i> \"barren,\" said of a cow.<\/section>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.etymonline.com\/search?q=gelding\">Online Etymological Dictionary<\/a><\/p>\r\n<p>Castration of humans and animals may seem like a perverse and cruel form of punishment, depriving a male of the ability to reproduce and to enjoy the pleasures of sex, together with the shame that condition entails.\u00a0 Indeed, such was the case with <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Sima_Qian\">Sima Qian<\/a> (b. circa 145 \/ 135-d. 86 [after 91] BC), who was castrated for having spoken out in defense of a general who lost a battle against the <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Xiongnu\">Xiongnu<\/a>.\u00a0 Yet, after having been deprived of his virility, Sima Qian poured all of his talents and energies into the completion of his monumental <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Records_of_the_Grand_Historian\"><i>Records of the Grand Historian \/ Scribe<\/i><\/a> or <i>Shiji<\/i>, whereby &#8212; through a process of sublimation &#8212; he achieved immortal fame as \"the father of <a title=\"Chinese historiography\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Chinese_historiography\">Chinese historiography<\/a>\".<\/p>\r\n<p>Another important castrated figure in Chinese history was the famous eunuch admiral, Zheng He (1371-1433).<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">The earliest records for intentional castration to produce eunuchs are from the <a title=\"Sumer\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Sumer\">Sumerian<\/a> city of <a title=\"Lagash\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Lagash\">Lagash<\/a> in the 21st century BC. Over the millennia since, they have performed a wide variety of functions in many different cultures: <a title=\"Courtier\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Courtier\">courtiers<\/a> or equivalent <a title=\"Domestic worker\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Domestic_worker\">domestics<\/a>, <a title=\"Castrato\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Castrato\">treble singers<\/a>, religious specialists, soldiers, royal guards, government officials, and guardians of women or <a title=\"Harem\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Harem\">harem<\/a> servants.<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Eunuch\">Wikipedia<\/a><\/p>\r\n<p>In China, large numbers of eunuchs were required in the imperial palaces for the maintenance and protection of the <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Imperial_Chinese_harem_system\">harem<\/a>.<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">Borrowed from <span class=\"etyl\"><a class=\"extiw\" title=\"w:Ottoman Turkish language\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Ottoman_Turkish_language\">Ottoman Turkish<\/a><\/span> <i class=\"ota-Arab mention\" lang=\"ota\"><a title=\"\u062d\u0631\u0645\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/%D8%AD%D8%B1%D9%85#Ottoman_Turkish\">\u062d\u0631\u0645<\/a><\/i>\u200e <span class=\"mention-gloss-paren\r\n        annotation-paren\">(<\/span><span class=\"mention-tr tr Latn\" lang=\"ota-Latn\">harem<\/span><span class=\"mention-gloss-paren\r\n        annotation-paren\">)<\/span> <span class=\"etyl\"><a class=\"extiw\" title=\"w:Turkish language\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Turkish_language\">Turkish<\/a><\/span> <i class=\"Latn mention\" lang=\"tr\"><a title=\"harem\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/harem#Turkish\">harem<\/a><\/i>, from <span class=\"etyl\"><a class=\"extiw\" title=\"w:Arabic\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Arabic\">Arabic<\/a><\/span> <i class=\"Arab mention\" lang=\"ar\"><a title=\"\u062d\u0631\u0645\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/%D8%AD%D8%B1%D9%85#Arabic\">\u062d\u064e\u0631\u064e\u0645<\/a><\/i>\u200e <span class=\"mention-gloss-paren\r\n        annotation-paren\">(<\/span><span class=\"mention-tr tr Latn\" lang=\"ar-Latn\">\u1e25aram<\/span>, <span class=\"mention-gloss-double-quote\">\u201c<\/span><span class=\"mention-gloss\">something prohibited; sanctuary, women<\/span><span class=\"mention-gloss-double-quote\">\u201d<\/span><span class=\"mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren\">)<\/span>; and later also from <i class=\"Arab mention\" lang=\"ar\"><a title=\"\u062d\u0631\u064a\u0645\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/%D8%AD%D8%B1%D9%8A%D9%85#Arabic\">\u062d\u064e\u0631\u0650\u064a\u0645<\/a><\/i>\u200e <span class=\"mention-gloss-paren\r\n        annotation-paren\">(<\/span><span class=\"mention-tr tr Latn\" lang=\"ar-Latn\">\u1e25ar\u012bm<\/span><span class=\"mention-gloss-paren\r\n        annotation-paren\">)<\/span> with same meaning, both from <i class=\"Arab mention\" lang=\"ar\"><a title=\"\u062d\u0631\u0645\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/%D8%AD%D8%B1%D9%85#Arabic\">\u062d\u064e\u0631\u064f\u0645\u064e<\/a><\/i>\u200e <span class=\"mention-gloss-paren\r\n        annotation-paren\">(<\/span><span class=\"mention-tr tr Latn\" lang=\"ar-Latn\">\u1e25aruma<\/span>, <span class=\"mention-gloss-double-quote\">\u201c<\/span><span class=\"mention-gloss\">be forbidden or unlawful<\/span><span class=\"mention-gloss-double-quote\">\u201d<\/span><span class=\"mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren\">)<\/span>.<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/harem\">Wiktionary<\/a><\/p>\r\n<p>Corrupt eunuchs amassed enormous amounts of wealth and power toward the end of the Ming Dynasty (1368-1644), which ultimately led to its collapse.<\/p>\r\n<p>While it is easy to view castration as a gross type of mutilation of the male body, it was often done for specific purposes &#8212; to enhance certain desirable traits and to minimize other, undesirable traits.<\/p>\r\n<p>For example, the name \"<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/castrato#Etymology\">castrati<\/a>\" is a direct reference to the operation that was performed on these high voiced singers during the pre-pubescent years:<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">A <b>castrato<\/b> (Italian, plural: <i>castrati<\/i>) is a <a title=\"Voice\r\n        type\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Voice_type\">type<\/a> of <a title=\"Classical music\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Classical_music\">classical<\/a> male <a title=\"Singing\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Singing\">singing<\/a> <a title=\"Human\r\n        voice\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Human_voice\">voice<\/a> equivalent to that of a <a title=\"Soprano\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Soprano\">soprano<\/a>, <a title=\"Mezzo-soprano\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Mezzo-soprano\">mezzo-soprano<\/a>, or <a title=\"Contralto\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Contralto\">contralto<\/a>. The voice is produced by <a title=\"Castration\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Castration\">castration<\/a> of the singer before <a title=\"Puberty\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Puberty\">puberty<\/a>, or it occurs in one who, due to an <a title=\"Endocrinology\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Endocrinology\">endocrinological<\/a> condition, never reaches <a title=\"Sexual maturity\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Sexual_maturity\">sexual maturity<\/a>.<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">Castration before puberty (or in its early stages) prevents a boy's <a title=\"Larynx\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Larynx\">larynx<\/a> from being transformed by the <a title=\"Voice\r\n        change\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Voice_change\">normal physiological events<\/a> of puberty. As a result, the <a title=\"Vocal range\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Vocal_range\">vocal range<\/a> of prepubescence (shared by both sexes) is largely retained, and the voice develops into adulthood in a unique way. Prepubescent castration for this purpose diminished greatly in the late 18th century and was made illegal in the <a title=\"Papal\r\n        States\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Papal_States\">Papal States<\/a>, the last to prohibit them, in 1870.<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Castrato\">Wikipedia<\/a><\/p>\r\n<p>For a similar phenomenon in early China, see the second and following paragraphs, as well as the comments, of this post, \"<a title=\"Permanent link to Poetry as \" href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=7470\" rel=\"bookmark\">Poetry as 'Word Temple' \u2014 NOT<\/a>\" (10\/4\/13), which shows that there is a connection between the birth of \"poet\" as a profession in early China and eunuchs who specialized in that capacity (!).<\/p>\r\n<p>Cockerels can be raised to enormous size by caponizing them.\u00a0 See \"<a title=\"Permanent link to Rooster Caponizing\r\n        Competition\" href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=23498\" rel=\"bookmark\">Rooster Caponizing Competition<\/a>\" (1\/16\/15). \u00a0<\/p>\r\n<p>And so on and so forth &#8212; the virtues (economic and cultural significance) of castration!\u00a0 This is something that human beings discovered already at least by the 3rd millennium BC.<\/p>\r\n<p>Now, on to Wales.<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">The names \"Wales\" and \"Welsh\" are modern descendants of the Anglo-Saxon word <i>wealh<\/i>, a descendant of the <a title=\"Proto-Germanic language\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Proto-Germanic_language\">Proto-Germanic<\/a> word \"<a title=\"Walhaz\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Walhaz\">Walhaz<\/a>\", which was derived from the name of the <a title=\"Gauls\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Gauls\">Gaulish people<\/a> known to the Romans as <a title=\"Volcae\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Volcae\">Volcae<\/a> and which came to refer indiscriminately to inhabitants of the <a title=\"Western Roman Empire\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Western_Roman_Empire\">Western Roman Empire<\/a>. The <a title=\"Old\r\n        English\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Old_English\">Old English<\/a>-speaking <a title=\"Anglo-Saxons\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Anglo-Saxons\">Anglo-Saxons<\/a> came to use the term to refer to the <a class=\"mw-redirect\" title=\"Britons (historical)\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Britons_%28historical%29\">Britons<\/a> in particular. As the Britons' territories shrank, the term came ultimately to be applied to a smaller group of people, and the plural form of Wealh, <i lang=\"ang\" title=\"Old English language text\">W\u0113alas<\/i>, evolved into the name for the territory that best maintained cultural continuity with pre-Anglo-Saxon Britain: Wales. The modern names for various <a title=\"Romance languages\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Romance_languages\">Romance-speaking<\/a> people in <a title=\"Continental Europe\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Continental_Europe\">Continental Europe<\/a> (e.g. <a title=\"Wallonia\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Wallonia\">Wallonia<\/a>, <a title=\"Wallachia\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Wallachia\">Wallachia<\/a>, <i lang=\"fr\" title=\"French language\r\n        text\"><a class=\"mw-redirect\" title=\"Valais\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Valais\">Valais<\/a><\/i>, <a title=\"Vlachs\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Vlachs\">Vlachs<\/a>, and <i lang=\"pl\" title=\"Polish language text\">W\u0142ochy<\/i>, the <a title=\"Polish language\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Polish_language\">Polish<\/a> name for Italy) have a similar etymology.<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Welsh_people\">Wikipedia<\/a><\/p>\r\n<p>As a child, just as I was tickled by the name \"Turkey\", which was identical with the name of the oversized fowl that we eat for Thanksgiving, I was intrigued by the country name \"Hungary\", which I found amusing because it sounded like \"hungry\", although, even then, I was not naive enough to think that there was any causal relationship between \"hungry\" and \"Hungary\".\u00a0 If I had known the real etymology, that \"Hungary\" has something to do with gelding, I would have been just as astonished as if it had something to do with \"hungry\".<\/p>\r\n<p>It turns out that our English name \"Hungary\" is related to French \"hongre\", which means \"<span class=\"st\">gelding\" (a gelded, castrated male horse)<\/span>, since the practice of gelding originated in Hungary (Fr. <span class=\"Latn\" lang=\"fr\"><a title=\"Hongrie\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/Hongrie#French\">Hongrie<\/a><\/span>).\u00a0 (<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/hongre\">Source<\/a>)<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">c. 1300, from Medieval Latin <span class=\"foreign\">Hungaria<\/span> (also source of French <span class=\"foreign\">Hongrie<\/span>), probably literally meaning \"land of the Huns,\" who ruled a vast territory from there under Attila in 5c. The people's name for themselves we transliterate as <span class=\"foreign\">Magyar<\/span>. Middle English uses the same words for both Attila's people and the Magyars, who appeared in Europe in 9c. and established a kingdom in 1000. From the same source as Medieval Greek <span class=\"foreign\">Oungroi<\/span>, German <span class=\"foreign\">Ungarn<\/span>, Russian <span class=\"foreign\">Vengriya<\/span>, Ukrainian<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.etymonline.com\/search?q=hungary\">Online Etymological Dictionary<\/a>)<\/p>\r\n<p>As for \"Turkey\", it is:<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">From <span class=\"etyl\"><a class=\"extiw\" title=\"w:Middle English\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Middle_English\">Middle English<\/a><\/span> <i class=\"Latn mention\" lang=\"enm\"><a title=\"Turkye\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/Turkye#Middle_English\">Turkye<\/a><\/i>, which is borrowed from <span class=\"etyl\"><a class=\"extiw\" title=\"w:French language\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/French_language\">French<\/a><\/span> <i class=\"Latn mention\" lang=\"fr\"><a title=\"Turquie\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/Turquie#French\">Turquie<\/a><\/i>, <span class=\"etyl\"><a class=\"extiw\" title=\"w:Medieval Latin\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Medieval_Latin\">Medieval Latin<\/a><\/span> <i class=\"Latn mention\" lang=\"la\"><a title=\"Turcia\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/Turcia#Latin\">Turcia<\/a><\/i>, from <i class=\"Latn mention\" lang=\"la\"><a class=\"new\" title=\"Turcus (page does not exist)\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/w\/index.php?title=Turcus&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1\">Turcus<\/a><\/i> <span class=\"mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren\">(<\/span><span class=\"mention-gloss-double-quote\">\u201c<\/span><span class=\"mention-gloss\">Turk<\/span><span class=\"mention-gloss-double-quote\">\u201d<\/span><span class=\"mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren\">)<\/span>, from <span class=\"etyl\"><a class=\"extiw\" title=\"w:Medieval Greek\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Medieval_Greek\">Byzantine Greek<\/a><\/span> <i class=\"polytonic mention\" lang=\"grc\"><a class=\"new\" title=\"\u03a4\u03bf\u1fe6\u03c1\u03ba\u03bf\u03c2 (page does not exist)\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/w\/index.php?title=%CE%A4%CE%BF%E1%BF%A6%CF%81%CE%BA%CE%BF%CF%82&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1\">\u03a4\u03bf\u1fe6\u03c1\u03ba\u03bf\u03c2<\/a><\/i> <span class=\"mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren\">(<\/span><span class=\"mention-tr tr Latn\" lang=\"grc-Latn\">To\u00fbrkos<\/span><span class=\"mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren\">)<\/span>, from <span class=\"etyl\"><a class=\"extiw\" title=\"w:Persian language\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Persian_language\">Persian<\/a><\/span> <i class=\"fa-Arab mention\" lang=\"fa\"><a title=\"\u062a\u0631\u06a9\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/%D8%AA%D8%B1%DA%A9#Persian\">\u062a\u0631\u06a9<\/a><\/i>\u200e <span class=\"mention-gloss-paren\r\n        annotation-paren\">(<\/span><span class=\"mention-tr tr Latn\" lang=\"fa-Latn\">Turk<\/span><span class=\"mention-gloss-paren\r\n        annotation-paren\">)<\/span>, from <span class=\"etyl\"><a class=\"extiw\" title=\"w:Middle Persian\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Middle_Persian\">Middle Persian<\/a><\/span> <small>[Term?]<\/small> <span class=\"mention-gloss-paren\r\n        annotation-paren\">(<\/span><span class=\"mention-tr tr Latn\" lang=\"pal-Latn\">twlk'<\/span> <span class=\"ts mention-ts Latn\">\/Turk\/<\/span><span class=\"mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren\">)<\/span>, from an <span class=\"etylcleanup\"><span class=\"etyl\"><a class=\"extiw\" title=\"w:Old Turkic\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Old_Turkic\">Old Turkic<\/a><\/span><\/span> autonym, <i><a title=\"T\u00fcrk\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/T%C3%BCrk\">T\u00fcrk<\/a><\/i> or <i><a class=\"new\" title=\"T\u00fcr\u00fck (page does not exist)\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/w\/index.php?title=T%C3%BCr%C3%BCk&amp;action=edit&amp;redlink=1\">T\u00fcr\u00fck<\/a><\/i>.<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">(<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/Turkey\">Wiktionary<\/a>)<\/p>\r\n<p>The country name \"Turkey\" (late 14th c.) derives from the Medieval Latin <span class=\"foreign\">Turchia<\/span>, from <span class=\"foreign\">Turcus:<\/span><\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">c. 1300, from French <span class=\"foreign notranslate\">Turc<\/span>, from Medieval Latin <span class=\"foreign notranslate\">Turcus<\/span>, from Byzantine Greek <span class=\"foreign notranslate\">Tourkos<\/span>, Persian <span class=\"foreign notranslate\">turk<\/span>, a national name, of unknown origin. Said to mean \"strength\" in Turkish. Compare Chinese <span class=\"foreign notranslate\">tu-kin<\/span>, recorded from c. 177 B.C.E. as the name of a people living south of the Altai Mountains (identified by some with the Huns). In Persian, <span class=\"foreign notranslate\">turk<\/span>, in addition to the national name, also could mean \"a beautiful youth,\" \"a barbarian,\" \"a robber.\"<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">\u00a0(<a href=\"https:\/\/www.etymonline.com\/word\/Turk\">Online Etymological Dictionary<\/a>)<\/p>\r\n<p>For the ultimate origins of the \"Turk\" ethnonym, we must search much more deeply:<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">The first known mention of the term <i>Turk<\/i> (<a title=\"Old\r\n        Turkic\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Old_Turkic\">Old Turkic<\/a>: <i>T\u00fcr\u00fck<\/i> or : <i>K\u00f6k T\u00fcr\u00fck<\/i> <a title=\"Chinese language\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Chinese_language\">Chinese<\/a>: <span lang=\"zh\">\u7a81\u53a5<\/span>, <a title=\"Old\r\n        Tibetan\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Old_Tibetan\">Old Tibetan<\/a>: duruggu\/durgu (meaning 'origin'), <a title=\"Pinyin\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Pinyin\">Pinyin<\/a>: T\u016bju\u00e9, <a title=\"Middle Chinese\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Middle_Chinese\">Middle Chinese<\/a> (<a title=\"Guangyun\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Guangyun\">Guangyun<\/a>): <span class=\"IPA\" title=\"Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet\r\n        (IPA)\"><a title=\"Help:IPA\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Help:IPA\">[t\u02b0uot-k\u00fcot]<\/a><\/span>) applied to a Turkic group was in reference to the <a title=\"G\u00f6kt\u00fcrks\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/G%C3%B6kt%C3%BCrks\">G\u00f6kt\u00fcrks<\/a> in the 6th century (in the <a title=\"Inscription of H\u00fcis Tolgoi\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Inscription_of_H%C3%BCis_Tolgoi\">Kh\u00fcis Tolgoi inscription<\/a>, most likely not later than 587 AD<i><\/i>). A letter by <a title=\"Ishbara Qaghan\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Ishbara_Qaghan\">Ishbara Qaghan<\/a> to <a title=\"Emperor Wen of Sui\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Emperor_Wen_of_Sui\">Emperor Wen of Sui<\/a> in 585 described him as \"the Great Turk Khan\". The <a title=\"Bugut inscription\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Bugut_inscription\">Bugut<\/a> (584 CE) and <a title=\"Orkhon inscriptions\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Orkhon_inscriptions\">Orkhon inscriptions<\/a> (735 CE) use the terms <i>T\u00fcrk\u00fct<\/i>, <i>T\u00fcrk<\/i> and <i>T\u00fcr\u00fck<\/i>.<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">Previous use of similar terms are of unknown significance, although some strongly feel that they are evidence of the historical continuity of the term and the people as a linguistic unit since early times. This includes the Chinese <i><a title=\"Spring and Autumn Annals\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Spring_and_Autumn_Annals\">Spring and Autumn Annals<\/a><\/i>, which refer to a neighbouring people as <i><a title=\"Beidi\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Beidi\">Beidi<\/a><\/i>. During the first century CE, <a title=\"Pomponius Mela\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Pomponius_Mela\">Pomponius Mela<\/a> refers to the <i>Turcae<\/i> in the forests north of the <a title=\"Sea of\r\n        Azov\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Sea_of_Azov\">Sea of Azov<\/a>, and <a title=\"Pliny the Elder\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Pliny_the_Elder\">Pliny the Elder<\/a> lists the <i>Tyrcae<\/i> among the people of the same area. There are references to certain groups in antiquity whose names could be the original form of <i>T\u00fcr(\u00fc)k<\/i> such as <a title=\"Togarmah\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Togarmah#Turkic_history\"><i>Togarma<\/i><\/a>, <i>Turukha<\/i>\/<i>Turu\u0161ka<\/i>, <a title=\"Turukkaeans\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Turukkaeans\"><i>Turukku<\/i><\/a> and so on. But the information gap is so substantial that a connect of these ancient people to the modern Turks is not possible. Turkologist Peter B. Golden posits that the term <i>Turk<\/i> has roots in Old Turkic.<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">It is generally accepted that the name <i>T\u00fcrk<\/i> is ultimately derived from the <a class=\"mw-redirect\" title=\"Old Turkic language\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Old_Turkic_language\">Old-Turkic<\/a> migration-term <i>T\u00fcr\u00fck<\/i>\/<i>T\u00f6r\u00fck<\/i>, which means 'created, born' or 'strong', from the Old Turkic word root <i>*t\u00fcri-<\/i>\/<i>t\u00f6ri-<\/i> 'tribal root, (mythic) ancestry; take shape, to be born, be created, arise, spring up' and derived with the Old Turkic suffix (<i>-ik<\/i>), perhaps from <a class=\"mw-redirect\" title=\"Proto-Turkic\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Proto-Turkic\">Proto-Turkic<\/a> <i>*t\u00fcri-k<\/i> 'lineage, ancestry', (compare also the Proto-Turkic word root <i>*t\u00f6re-<\/i> to be born, originate'). Scholars, including Toru Haneda, Onogawa Hidemi, and Geng Shimin believed that <i>Di<\/i>, <i>Dili<\/i>, <i>Dingling<\/i>, <i>Chile<\/i> and <i>Tujue<\/i> all came from the Turkic word <i>T\u00fcrk<\/i>, which means means 'powerful' and 'strength', and its plural form is <i>T\u00fcrk\u00fct<\/i>. Even though <a title=\"Gerhard Doerfer\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Gerhard_Doerfer\">Gerhard Doerfer<\/a> supports the proposal that <i>t\u00fcrk<\/i> means 'strong' in general, <a title=\"Gerard Clauson\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Gerard_Clauson\">Gerard Clauson<\/a> points out that \"the word <i>t\u00fcrk<\/i> is never used in the generalized sense of 'strong'\" and that <i>t\u00fcrk<\/i> was originally a noun and meant \"'the culminating point of maturity' (of a fruit, human being, etc.), but more often used as an [adjective] meaning (of a fruit) 'just fully ripe'; (of a human being) 'in the prime of life, young, and vigorous'\".<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">The earliest Turkic-speaking peoples identifiable in Chinese sources are the <a title=\"Dingling\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Dingling\">Dingling<\/a>, <a title=\"Yenisei Kyrgyz\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Yenisei_Kyrgyz\">Gekun<\/a>, and <a title=\"Xueyantuo\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Xueyantuo\">Xinli<\/a>, located in South Siberia. The Chinese <a title=\"Book of\r\n        Zhou\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Book_of_Zhou\">Book of Zhou<\/a> (7th century) presents an etymology of the name <i>Turk<\/i> as derived from 'helmet', explaining that this name comes from the shape of a mountain where they worked in the <a title=\"Altai Mountains\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Altai_Mountains\">Altai Mountains<\/a>. Hungarian scholar <a title=\"Andr\u00e1s R\u00f3na-Tas\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Andr%C3%A1s_R%C3%B3na-Tas\">Andr\u00e1s R\u00f3na-Tas<\/a> (1991) pointed to a Khotanese-Saka word, <i>tturak\u00e4<\/i> 'lid', semantically stretchable to 'helmet', as a possible source for this folk etymology, yet Golden thinks this connection requires more data.<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">During the Middle Ages, various Turkic peoples of the Eurasian steppe were subsumed under the \"umbrella-identity\" of the \"<a title=\"Scythians\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Scythians\">Scythians<\/a>\". Between 400 CE and the 16th century, Byzantine sources use the name \u03a3\u03ba\u03cd\u03b8\u03b1\u03b9 (<i>Skuthai<\/i>) in reference to twelve different Turkic peoples.<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">In the modern <a title=\"Turkish language\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Turkish_language\">Turkish language<\/a> as used in the <a class=\"mw-redirect\" title=\"Republic of Turkey\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Republic_of_Turkey\">Republic of Turkey<\/a>, a distinction is made between \"Turks\" and the \"Turkic peoples\" in loosely speaking: the term <i>T\u00fcrk<\/i> corresponds specifically to the \"Turkish-speaking\" people (in this context, \"Turkish-speaking\" is considered the same as \"Turkic-speaking\"), while the term <i><a class=\"mw-redirect\" title=\"Turki\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Turki\">T\u00fcrki<\/a><\/i> refers generally to the people of modern \"Turkic Republics\" (<i>T\u00fcrki Cumhuriyetler<\/i> or <i>T\u00fcrk Cumhuriyetleri<\/i>). However, the proper usage of the term is based on <a title=\"Turkic languages\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Turkic_languages\">the linguistic classification<\/a> in order to avoid any <a class=\"mw-redirect\" title=\"Political\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Political\">political<\/a> sense. In short, the term <i>T\u00fcrki<\/i> can be used for <i>T\u00fcrk<\/i> or vice versa.<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">(<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Turkic_peoples\">Wiktionary<\/a>)<\/p>\r\n<p>Some relevant Sinitic etymological and phonological data:<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Turkic_peoples\">T\u016bju\u00e9 \/ T\u00faju\u00e9<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/zh.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/%E7%AA%81%E5%8E%A5%E8%AA%9E%E6%B0%91%E6%97%8F\">\u7a81\u53a5<\/a><\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">Middle Sinitic\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <span class=\"IPA\">\/t\u02b0u\u0259t\u031a\u00a0 k\u0268ut\u031a\/<\/span><\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">Ultimately from a form which also gave rise to the name <i><a title=\"T\u00fcrk\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/T%C3%BCrk\">T\u00fcrk<\/a><\/i> (cf. <span class=\"etyl\"><a class=\"extiw\" title=\"w:Old Turkic\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Old_Turkic\">Old Turkic<\/a><\/span> <i class=\"Orkh\r\n        mention\" lang=\"otk\"><\/i>\u200e <span class=\"mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren\">(<\/span><span class=\"mention-tr tr Latn\" lang=\"otk-Latn\">T\u00fcrk<\/span><span class=\"mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren\">)<\/span>, <i class=\"Orkh mention\" lang=\"otk\"><\/i>\u200e <span class=\"mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren\">(<\/span><span class=\"mention-tr tr Latn\" lang=\"otk-Latn\">T\u00fcr\u00fck<\/span><span class=\"mention-gloss-paren annotation-paren\">)<\/span>), but the phonetics are difficult to reconcile.<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">It has been suggested that this is a transcription of <a class=\"extiw\" title=\"wikipedia:Rouran\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Rouran\">Rouran<\/a> *<i>T\u00fcrk\u00fct<\/i>, a plural of the Mongolic type, composed of <i>T\u00fcrk<\/i> + *<i>-\u00fct<\/i> (Mongolic plural suffix, compare Khalkha <span class=\"etyl\"><a class=\"extiw\" title=\"w:Mongolian language\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Mongolian_language\">Mongolian<\/a><\/span> <i class=\"Cyrl mention\" lang=\"mn\"><a title=\"-\u04af\u04af\u0434\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/-%D2%AF%D2%AF%D0%B4#Mongolian\">-\u04af\u04af\u0434<\/a><\/i> <span class=\"mention-gloss-paren\r\n        annotation-paren\">(<\/span><span class=\"mention-tr tr Latn\" lang=\"mn-Latn\">-\u00fc\u00fcd<\/span><span class=\"mention-gloss-paren\r\n        annotation-paren\">)<\/span>) (<a title=\"Wiktionary:About Chinese\/references\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/Wiktionary:About_Chinese\/references#P\">Pelliot, 1915<\/a>). <a title=\"Wiktionary:About Chinese\/references\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/Wiktionary:About_Chinese\/references#P\">Pulleyblank (1965)<\/a> proposed that this is a direct transcription of <i>T\u00fcrk<\/i>.<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span class=\"IPA\">(<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/%E7%AA%81%E5%8E%A5\">Source<\/a>)<br \/><\/span><\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">D\u00ed \u72c4 (as in <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Beidi\">B\u011bid\u00ed \u5317\u72c4 [\"Northern Di\"]<\/a>)<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span class=\"IPA\">Middle Sinitic\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \/dek\u031a\/<\/span><\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span class=\"IPA\">Old Sinitic\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/span><\/p>\r\n<dl>\r\n<dd><small>(<i><a class=\"extiw\" title=\"w:William H. Baxter\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/William_H._Baxter\">Baxter<\/a>\u2013<a class=\"extiw\" title=\"w:Laurent Sagart\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Laurent_Sagart\">Sagart<\/a><\/i>)<\/small>: <span class=\"IPAchar\">\/*l\u02e4ek\/<\/span><\/dd>\r\n<dd><small>(<i><a class=\"extiw\" title=\"w:Zhengzhang Shangfang\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Zhengzhang_Shangfang\">Zhengzhang<\/a><\/i>)<\/small>: <span class=\"IPAchar\">\/*de\u02d0\u0261\/<\/span><\/dd>\r\n<\/dl>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">(<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wiktionary.org\/wiki\/%E7%8B%84\">Source<\/a>)<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">Speculations on the etymological origins of this ancient ethnonym are so shaky that I hesitate to cite them here.<\/p>\r\n<p>One thing I am willing to say, however, is that &#8212; for at least the last four decades &#8212; I have always entertained the possibility that the medieval T\u00faju\u00e9 \u7a81\u53a5 ethnonym may be a later development of the ancient D\u00ed \u72c4 ethnonym.\u00a0 Cf. the histories of these peoples and the Old and Middle Sinitic phonological reconstructions of their names cited just above.<\/p>\r\n<p>This post has already gone on long enough.\u00a0 I will conclude it by quoting the response of my colleague, J. P. Mallory, when I asked him the questions raised by Rebecca Hamilton (see the beginning of this post), especially whether he could think of connection between \"Wales \/ Welsh\" and \"gelding\".\u00a0 As it turns out, Jim's response serendipitously ties together a lot of disparate elements in this rambling (Xi\u0101oy\u00e1o y\u00f3u \u900d\u9059\u904a) essay &#8212; \u00e0 la Zhuang Zi.<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">Huh???\u00a0 I don't understand the logical link between Wallachian and castration as it really isn't explained in the examples. Castration of cattle has been around since the Neolithic to make more docile animals for purposes of traction and obviously employed for other purposes when extended to humans. But national names can go almost anywhere (and do), for example, Bulgarus 'Bulgarian' &gt; 'Orthodox church' &gt; 'heretic' &gt; 'sinful practice' &gt;\u00a0 'sinful sexual practice' &gt; 'bugger' but the fact that the modern word 'bugger' is etymologically derived from the ethnic term for a Bulgar doesn't really tell us anything about the sexual practices of the Turkic tribe that invaded what became known as Bulgaria.<\/p>\r\n<p>One last note on \"wether\":<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span class=\"hvr\">Old<\/span> <span class=\"hvr\">English<\/span> <i><span class=\"hvr\">hw\u00e6ther;<\/span><\/i> <span class=\"hvr\">related<\/span> to <span class=\"hvr\">Old<\/span> <span class=\"hvr\">Frisian<\/span> <i><span class=\"hvr\">hweder,<\/span><\/i> <span class=\"hvr\">Old<\/span> <span class=\"hvr\">High<\/span> <span class=\"hvr\">German<\/span> <i><span class=\"hvr\">hwedar,<\/span><\/i> <span class=\"hvr\">Old<\/span> <span class=\"hvr\">Norse<\/span> <i><span class=\"hvr\">hvatharr<\/span><\/i><\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">Collins English Dictionary \u2013 Complete and Unabridged, 12th Edition 2014<\/p>\r\n<h2 style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">wet-<sup>2<\/sup><\/h2>\r\n<div class=\"pseg\" style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">Year.<\/p>\r\n<div class=\"ds-list\" style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><b>1. <\/b> Suffixed form <i>*wet-ru-<\/i>. <span class=\"sm_upp\">wether<\/span>; <span class=\"sm_upp\">bellwether<\/span> from Old English <i>wether<\/i>, wether, from Germanic <i>*wethruz<\/i>, perhaps \"yearling\"<\/div>\r\n<div class=\"ds-list\" style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><b>2. <\/b> Suffixed form <i>*wet-es-<\/i>.\r\n<div class=\"ds-list\" style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><b>a. <\/b><span class=\"sm_upp\">veteran<\/span>; <span class=\"sm_upp\">inveterate<\/span> from Latin <i>vetus<\/i>, old (&lt; \"having many years\");<\/div>\r\n<div class=\"ds-list\" style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><b>b. <\/b><span class=\"sm_upp\">veterinary<\/span> from Latin <i>veter\u012bnus<\/i>, of beasts of burden, of cattle (perhaps chiefly old cattle);<\/div>\r\n<div class=\"ds-list\" style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><b>c. <\/b><span class=\"sm_upp\">etesian<\/span> from Greek <i>etos<\/i>, year.<\/div>\r\n<\/div>\r\n<div class=\"ds-list\" style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><b>3. <\/b> Suffixed form <i>*wet-olo-<\/i>. <span class=\"sm_upp\">veal<\/span>, <span class=\"sm_upp\">vitellus<\/span> from Latin <i>vitulus<\/i>, calf, yearling.<\/div>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">[Pokorny <i>u\u032fet-<\/i> 1175.]<\/p>\r\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">American Heritage\u00ae Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition (2016)<\/p>\r\n<\/div>\r\n<p>The things human beings do to animals and each other!\u00a0 In this post, I've only focused on one extreme type of mutilation of the male body.\u00a0 To describe the language of such practices as footbinding &#8212; 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