{"id":47289,"date":"2020-05-30T21:30:19","date_gmt":"2020-05-31T02:30:19","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=47289"},"modified":"2020-06-04T05:28:43","modified_gmt":"2020-06-04T10:28:43","slug":"public-romanization-in-canton","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=47289","title":{"rendered":"Public Romanization in Canton"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Sign on the wall of a school:<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/~bgzimmer\/putonghua.jpg\" alt=\"\" \/><br \/>\n<a title=\"https:\/\/vincehkblog.wordpress.com\/2018\/05\/13\/is-cantonese-dying-in-canton-2\/\" href=\"https:\/\/vincehkblog.wordpress.com\/2018\/05\/13\/is-cantonese-dying-in-canton-2\/\">(Source)<\/a><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>The sign says:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">Ji\u01ceng P\u01d4t\u014dnghu\u00e0 xi\u011b gu\u012bf\u00e0nz\u00ec<br \/>\n\u8bb2\u666e\u901a\u8bdd\u00a0 \u5199\u89c4\u8303\u5b57<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">\"Speak Mandarin* \u00a0\u00a0 write standard characters**.\"<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">&#8212;<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">*Putonghua (Modern Standard Mandarin [MSM])<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">**The official set of simplified Chinese characters<\/p>\n<p>Some things to note about the\u00a0<span class=\"il\">Romanization<\/span>\u00a0here:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">1. Mandarin, not Cantonese<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">2. toneless<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">3. all caps<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">4. word division, not syllable by syllable or all strung together<\/p>\n<p>As we are all too aware on Language Log, it is quite common to provide English \/ Chinglish translations on signs and notices written in Chinese characters in the PRC. The fact that the ruby glossing here is in MSM tells us that the purpose of the annotations is to promote that pronunciation for Chinese characters in a Cantonese speaking area. Seldom do we see Cantonese Romanization annotations, except in Hong Kong, and then it is almost always ad hoc or loose, because Cantonese does not have an official Romanization supported and promoted by government. A small number of language specialists have developed and advocate\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Jyutping\">Jyutping<\/a>, but it is rare for non-linguists to be proficient in it.<\/p>\n<p><b>Selected readings<\/b><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Uppercase and lowercase letters in Cantonese Romanization\" href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=47267\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"bookmark noopener noreferrer\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p%3D47267&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1590770287056000&amp;usg=AFQjCNFNPbQHG25EjiHSDu1LSm_HrSX_rA\">Uppercase and lowercase letters in Cantonese\u00a0<span class=\"il\">Romanization<\/span><\/a>\" (5\/28\/20) &#8212; includes a long list of relevant posts<\/li>\n<li>\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Hong Kong protesters' argot\" href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=44317\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"bookmark noopener noreferrer\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p%3D44317&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1590770287056000&amp;usg=AFQjCNHMErKcIErn40iCn_jrQoowtwPnsw\">Hong Kong protesters' argot<\/a>\" (9\/7\/19) \u2014 includes a long list of relevant posts<\/li>\n<li>\"<a href=\"http:\/\/itre.cis.upenn.edu\/~myl\/languagelog\/archives\/004898.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=http:\/\/itre.cis.upenn.edu\/~myl\/languagelog\/archives\/004898.html&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1590770287056000&amp;usg=AFQjCNGJANg2Av3tb-6eYntN28Z_7L0DcA\">Linguistic Advice in the Lavatory: Speaking Mandarin is a great convenience for everyone<\/a>\" (9\/11\/07)<\/li>\n<li>\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Cantonese and Mandarin interwoven\" href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=14102\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"bookmark noopener noreferrer\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p%3D14102&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1590770287056000&amp;usg=AFQjCNFECLOKySmuj74riaQLZLS8J9hxBw\">Cantonese and Mandarin interwoven<\/a>\" (8\/20\/14)<\/li>\n<li>\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Spoken Hong Kong Cantonese and written Cantonese\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=6501\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"bookmark noopener noreferrer\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p%3D6501&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1590770287056000&amp;usg=AFQjCNHfv5hpu9GFPWScCPnFNRJvgzeAHA\">Spoken Hong Kong Cantonese and written Cantonese<\/a>\" (8\/29\/13)<\/li>\n<li>\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Speak Cantonese\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=26137\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"bookmark noopener noreferrer\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p%3D26137&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1590770287056000&amp;usg=AFQjCNEzQ7sw83VwtqnR26Lk47MwzH1QFA\">Speak Cantonese<\/a>\" (6\/10\/16)<\/li>\n<li>\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Cantonese: still the main spoken language of Hong Kong\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=33511\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"bookmark noopener noreferrer\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p%3D33511&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1590770287056000&amp;usg=AFQjCNHHivU0dg2EAiMcIxtHc1W1GuNU0w\">Cantonese: still the main spoken language of Hong Kong<\/a>\" (6\/1\/17)<\/li>\n<li>\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Cantonese is not dead yet\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=33130\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"bookmark noopener noreferrer\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p%3D33130&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1590770287056000&amp;usg=AFQjCNHoY6DJM_LRW_mSKDI_eiCn_niRDw\">Cantonese is not dead yet<\/a>\" (6\/9\/17)<\/li>\n<li>\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Forcing Mandarin on Hong Kong\" href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=36381\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"bookmark noopener noreferrer\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p%3D36381&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1590770287056000&amp;usg=AFQjCNGVyuxsWP6uqxpJ2_ayNHNbdfCGNA\">Forcing Mandarin on Hong Kong<\/a>\" (1\/27\/18)<\/li>\n<li>\"<a title=\"Permanent link to National Language versus Mother Tongue\" href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=1815\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"bookmark noopener noreferrer\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p%3D1815&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1590770287056000&amp;usg=AFQjCNGFHDNVh_gMzfjxLnRcgEv7agTb7g\">National Language versus Mother Tongue<\/a>\" (10\/16\/09)<\/li>\n<li>\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Loose Romanization for Cantonese\" href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=44443\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"bookmark noopener noreferrer\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p%3D44443&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1590770287056000&amp;usg=AFQjCNHeM7vv4D9lMbakIpwl4yzojo0JKw\">Loose\u00a0<span class=\"il\">Romanization<\/span>\u00a0for Cantonese<\/a>\" (9\/21\/19)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Sign on the wall of a school: 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