{"id":43605,"date":"2019-07-12T05:44:58","date_gmt":"2019-07-12T10:44:58","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=43605"},"modified":"2019-07-12T14:49:51","modified_gmt":"2019-07-12T19:49:51","slug":"they-triumphs","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=43605","title":{"rendered":"They triumphs?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Farhad Manjoo, \"<a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2019\/07\/10\/opinion\/pronoun-they-gender.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Call Me 'They<\/a>'\", NYT 7\/10\/2019:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">The singular \u201cthey\u201d is inclusive and flexible, and it breaks the stifling prison of gender expectations. Let\u2019s all use it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">I am your stereotypical, cisgender, middle-aged suburban dad. I dabble in woodworking, I take out the garbage, and I covet my neighbor\u2019s Porsche. Though I do think men should wear makeup (it looks nice!), my tepid masculinity apparently rings loudly enough online and in person that most people guess that I go by \u201che\u201d and \u201chim.\u201d And that\u2019s fine; I will not be offended if you refer to me by those traditional, uselessly gendered pronouns.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">But \u201che\u201d is not what you should call me. If we lived in a just, rational, inclusive universe \u2014 one in which we were not all so irredeemably obsessed by the particulars of the parts dangling between our fellow humans\u2019 legs, nor the ridiculous expectations signified by those parts about how we should act and speak and dress and feel \u2014 there would be no requirement for you to have to assume my gender just to refer to me in the common tongue.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Usage of <em>singular they<\/em> has seen a progression from indefinite singular referents of unspecified gender, to definite\u00a0 singular referents of unspecified gender, to definite singular referents of\u00a0 known gender but unspecified identity, to definite singular referents of known birth sex and specified identity &#8212; with the last-named stage sometimes just a new kind of 3rd-singular pronoun applied indiscriminately to any referent at all, and sometimes seen as an option to be applied to certain people who have chosen to opt out of the binary gender system.<\/p>\n<p>Manjoo is apparently suggesting that everyone should choose the opt-out option, at least with respect to pronoun choices,\u00a0 so that <em>they<\/em> replaces <em>he<\/em> and <em>she<\/em> just as <em>you<\/em> replaced <em>thou<\/em>. This will certainly get pushback from <a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=24504\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">traditionalists like Mary Norris<\/a>. Will there also be objections from people on the other side, who want to see explicit non-gendered pronoun choice retained as an expression of personal identity?<\/p>\n<p>A sample of LLOG posts on the topic over the years:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">\"<a href=\"http:\/\/itre.cis.upenn.edu\/~myl\/languagelog\/archives\/001582.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">They are a prophet<\/a>\", 10\/21\/2004<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"http:\/\/itre.cis.upenn.edu\/~myl\/languagelog\/archives\/001863.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The SAT fails a grammar test<\/a>\", 1\/31\/2005<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"http:\/\/itre.cis.upenn.edu\/~myl\/languagelog\/archives\/002536.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Singular they and plural he\/she\/it<\/a>\", 10\/12\/2005<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"http:\/\/itre.cis.upenn.edu\/~myl\/languagelog\/archives\/002742.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Singular they with known sex<\/a>\", 1\/3\/2006<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"http:\/\/itre.cis.upenn.edu\/~myl\/languagelog\/archives\/002748.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Shakespeare used they with singular antecedents so there<\/a>\", 1\/5\/2006<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"http:\/\/itre.cis.upenn.edu\/~myl\/languagelog\/archives\/003485.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Is singular they verbally and plenarily inspired of God?<\/a>\", 8\/21\/2006<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"http:\/\/itre.cis.upenn.edu\/~myl\/languagelog\/archives\/003572.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">'Singular they': God said it, I believe it, that settles it<\/a>\", 9\/13\/2006<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=89\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Everyone knows each other<\/a>\", 3\/26\/2008<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=26\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Canadian Department of Justice: use 'singular they'<\/a>\", 4\/13\/2008<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=58\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Xtreme singular they<\/a>\", 4\/18\/2008<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=138\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">'im or 'em?<\/a>\", 5\/9\/2008<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=176\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Presidential pronoun watch<\/a>\", 5\/20\/2008<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=199\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Prescriptivist Science<\/a>\", 5\/30\/2008<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=281\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Facebook phases out singular they<\/a>\", 6\/27\/2008<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=1240\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Knuckling under<\/a>\", 3\/16\/2009<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=1332\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Candidates must be a student<\/a>\", 4\/16\/2009<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=1487\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">As they arrive<\/a>\", 6\/9\/2009<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=1629\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The President and the pronoun<\/a>\", 8\/3\/2009<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=2072\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Singular they trudges on<\/a>\", 1\/24\/2010<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=2093\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">What he used to be and who they are now<\/a>\", 2\/2\/2010<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=2324\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Their mouth &#8230; its mouths<\/a>\", 5\/15\/2010<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=2420\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Sometimes Strunk and White are right<\/a>\", 7\/1\/2010<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=2426\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">David Pogue assails singular they<\/a>\", 7\/7\/2010<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=2600\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Singular they with personal name antecedent<\/a>\", 9\/1\/2010<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=2646\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Annals of singular their<\/a>\", 9\/21\/2010<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=3264\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">'Dan has noot filled out their profile yet'<\/a>\", 7\/31\/2011<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=3898\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Sweden's gender-neutral 3rd-person singular pronoun<\/a>\", 4\/13\/2012<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=3996\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Plural it in E. Nesbit<\/a>\", 6\/2\/2012<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=4088\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">'The nurse who has a low opinion of oneself<\/a>\", 7\/19\/2012<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=4328\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">We all need someone who relies on<\/a>\", 11\/16\/2012<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=4475\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Popes and prophets<\/a>\", 2\/12\/2013<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=4482\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The future of singular they<\/a>\", 3\/8\/2013<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=8818\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">I met someone and they make me happy<\/a>\", 12\/4\/2013<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=9911\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Enlightened singular they<\/a>\", 1\/22\/2014<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=17426\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The manuscript they would have written<\/a>\", 1\/29\/2015<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=21302\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Typical options like \u00e2\u20ac\u0153he\u00e2\u20ac\ufffd and \u00e2\u20ac\u0153she\u00e2\u20ac\ufffd<\/a>\", 9\/15\/2015<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=22586\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Annals of singular 'they': another case with known sex<\/a>\", 11\/30\/2015<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=22830\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The Washington Post concedes on singular they<\/a>\", 12\/13\/2015<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=24504\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Linguistic reaction at The New Yorker<\/a>\", 3\/8\/2016<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=28176\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Choosing their pronouns for oneself<\/a>\", 9\/15\/2016<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?cat=27\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The craven feminine pronoun<\/a>\", 2\/8\/2017<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=31331\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">The Daily Mail deluding themselves<\/a>\", 2\/28\/2017<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=31494\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">What a woman can't do with their body<\/a>\", 3\/10.2017<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=25135\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Singular They of the day<\/a>\", 4\/14\/2016<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?cat=27\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Schooled on singular 'they'<\/a>\", 4\/21\/2017<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=32271\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Pronominal reference to the arbitrary dog<\/a>\", 4\/22\/2017<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=32301\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Or the arbitrary cat, horse, or pig<\/a>\", 4\/23\/2017<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=34992\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Terror of singular 'they'<\/a>\", 10\/13\/2017<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?cat=27\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">A letter saying they won<\/a>\", 12\/4\/2017<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=35668\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">If you can't say something nice&#8230;<\/a>\", 12\/5\/2017<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?cat=27\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Courtesy and personal pronoun choice<\/a>\", 12\/6\/2017<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=35776\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">On when listening is better than talking: A call for contemplation and empathy<\/a>\", 12\/11\/2017<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=35810\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Linguists and change<\/a>\", 12\/15\/2017<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=39872\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Tolerance for singular they<\/a>\", 9\/4\/2018<\/p>\n<p>And for a seventeenth-century precedent, see<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\">\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=2732\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">George Fox, Prescriptivist<\/a>\", 10\/24\/2010<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=21431\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Fox redux<\/a>\", 9\/26\/2015<br \/>\n\"<a href=\"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=26554\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">That false and senseless Way of Speaking<\/a>\", 7\/1\/2016<\/p>\n<p>Update &#8212; Rachel L. Harris and Lisa Tarchak, \"<a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2019\/07\/12\/opinion\/gender-neutral-pronouns.html\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\">I'm with 'They'<\/a>\" (\"What\u2019s the big deal with gender-neutral pronouns? Some readers and our columnist disagreed\"), NYT 7\/12\/2019.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Farhad Manjoo, \"Call Me 'They'\", NYT 7\/10\/2019: The singular \u201cthey\u201d is inclusive and flexible, and it breaks the stifling prison of gender expectations. Let\u2019s all use it. I am your stereotypical, cisgender, middle-aged suburban dad. I dabble in woodworking, I take out the garbage, and I covet my neighbor\u2019s Porsche. Though I do think men [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_exactmetrics_skip_tracking":false,"_exactmetrics_sitenote_active":false,"_exactmetrics_sitenote_note":"","_exactmetrics_sitenote_category":0,"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[13,93],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-43605","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-changing-times","category-language-and-gender"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/43605","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=43605"}],"version-history":[{"count":12,"href":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/43605\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":43623,"href":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/43605\/revisions\/43623"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=43605"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=43605"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=43605"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}