{"id":40459,"date":"2018-10-29T10:47:47","date_gmt":"2018-10-29T15:47:47","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=40459"},"modified":"2018-10-29T10:47:47","modified_gmt":"2018-10-29T15:47:47","slug":"of-ganders-geese-and-old-sinitic-reconstructions","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=40459","title":{"rendered":"Of ganders, geese, and Old Sinitic reconstructions"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I used the expression \"take a gander\" in something I wrote this morning.\u00a0 Curious about its origin, I found this:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\"<a href=\"http:\/\/www.todayifoundout.com\/index.php\/2012\/09\/where-did-the-phrase-take-a-gander-come-from\/\">Where Did the Phrase 'Take a Gander' Come From?<\/a>\" (Today I Found Out [9\/22\/12])<\/p>\n<p>This is an <small><big><big><big><small><small>interesting, informative article, from which I learned much, including the PIE root for \"goose\",\u00a0 and the fact that geese can\u00a0 fly as high as 30,000 feet!<\/small><\/small><\/big><\/big><\/big><\/small><small><big><big><big><small><small><\/small><\/small><\/big><\/big><\/big><\/small><!--more--><\/p>\n<p><small><big><big><big><small><small> As soon as I saw that the <\/small><\/small><\/big><\/big><\/big><\/small><small><big><big><big><small><small>PIE root for \"goose\" is <\/small><\/small><\/big><\/big><\/big><\/small><small><big><big><big><small><small><small><big><big><big><small><small><span class=\"foreign notranslate\">*ghans-, it reminded me of the Sinitic word for \"wild goose\", <\/span><\/small><\/small><\/big><\/big><\/big><\/small><\/small><\/small><\/big><\/big><\/big><\/small><small><big><big><big><small><small><small><big><big><big><small><small><span class=\"foreign notranslate\"><small><big><big><big><small><small>MSM y\u00e0n \u96c1 (\"wild goose\"), Cantonese ngaan6, Hakka ngien \/ ngian, Northern Min ng\u0101ing, Eastern Min ng\u00e2ng, Southern Min g\u0101n (Hokkien), ngang6 (Teochew, Peng'im), Wu nge (T3).<\/small><\/small><\/big><\/big><\/big><\/small><\/span><\/small><\/small><\/big><\/big><\/big><\/small><\/small><\/small><\/big><\/big><\/big><\/small><\/p>\n<p><small><big><big><big><small><small><small><big><big><big><small><small><span class=\"foreign notranslate\"><small><big><big><big><small><small>When we turn to <\/small><\/small><\/big><\/big><\/big><\/small><\/span><\/small><\/small><\/big><\/big><\/big><\/small><\/small><\/small><\/big><\/big><\/big><\/small><small><big><big><big><small><small><small><big><big><big><small><small><span class=\"foreign notranslate\"><small><big><big><big><small><small>Old Sinitic, the resemblance is quite striking:\u00a0 *\u014br\u00e2ns (Schuessler) \/ <\/small><\/small><\/big><\/big><\/big><\/small><span class=\"IPAchar\" lang=\"\">*C.[\u014b]\u02e4rar-s (Baxter-Sagart) \/ *\u014bra\u02d0ns (<\/span><\/span><\/small><\/small><\/big><\/big><\/big><\/small><\/small><\/small><\/big><\/big><\/big><\/small><small><big><big><big><small><small><small><big><big><big><small><small><span class=\"foreign notranslate\"><span class=\"IPAchar\" lang=\"\"><small><big><big><big><small><small><small><big><big><big><small><small>Zhengzhang<\/small><\/small><\/big><\/big><\/big><\/small><\/small><\/small><\/big><\/big><\/big><\/small>).\u00a0 Cf. Middle Sinitic <\/span><small><big><big><big><small><small>\u014ban<\/small><\/small><\/big><\/big><\/big><\/small><small><big><big><big><small><small><span class=\"IPAchar\" lang=\"\"><sup>C<\/sup><\/span> (Schuessler) \/ <\/small><\/small><\/big><\/big><\/big><\/small><span class=\"IPAchar\" lang=\"\">\u2039\u2009<i>ng\u00e6n<sup>H<\/sup><\/i>\u2009\u203a (<\/span><span class=\"IPAchar\" lang=\"\">Baxter-Sagart) \/ \u014b\u02e0anH (<\/span><\/span><\/small><\/small><\/big><\/big><\/big><\/small><\/small><\/small><\/big><\/big><\/big><\/small><small><big><big><big><small><small><small><big><big><big><small><small><span class=\"foreign notranslate\"><span class=\"IPAchar\" lang=\"\"><small><big><big><big><small><small><small><big><big><big><small><small>Zhengzhang<\/small><\/small><\/big><\/big><\/big><\/small><\/small><\/small><\/big><\/big><\/big><\/small>).<\/span><\/span><\/small><\/small><\/big><\/big><\/big><\/small><\/small><\/small><\/big><\/big><\/big><\/small><\/p>\n<p><small><big><big><big><small><small>It is curious that \"gander\" and \"goose\" come from the same PIE root:<\/small><\/small><\/big><\/big><\/big><\/small><small><big><big><big><small><small><\/small><\/small><\/big><\/big><\/big><\/small><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><small><big><big><big><small><small> <\/small><\/small><\/big><\/big><\/big><\/small><small><big><big><big><small><small> Old English <span class=\"foreign notranslate\">gandra<\/span> \"male goose,\" from Proto-Germanic <span class=\"foreign notranslate\">*gan(d)ron<\/span> (source also of Dutch <span class=\"foreign notranslate\">gander<\/span>, Middle Low German <span class=\"foreign notranslate\">ganre<\/span>), from PIE <span class=\"foreign notranslate\">*ghans-<\/span> \"goose\"<br \/>\n<\/small><\/small><\/big><\/big><\/big><\/small><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><small><big><big><big><small><small>(from <a href=\"https:\/\/www.etymonline.com\/word\/gander#etymonline_v_1262\">Etymonline<\/a>)<br \/>\n<\/small><\/small><\/big><\/big><\/big><\/small><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><small><big><big><big><small><small> <\/small><\/small><\/big><\/big><\/big><\/small><small><big><big><big><small><small> Old English <span class=\"foreign notranslate\">gos<\/span> \"a goose,\" from Proto-Germanic <span class=\"foreign notranslate\">*gans-<\/span> \"goose\" (source also of Old Frisian <span class=\"foreign notranslate\">gos<\/span>, Old Norse <span class=\"foreign notranslate\">gas<\/span>, Old High German <span class=\"foreign notranslate\">gans<\/span>, German <span class=\"foreign notranslate\">Gans<\/span> \"goose\"), from PIE <span class=\"foreign notranslate\">*ghans-<\/span> (source also of Sanskrit <span class=\"foreign notranslate\">hamsah<\/span> (masc.))<\/small><\/small><\/big><\/big><\/big><\/small><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><small><big><big><big><small><small>(from <a href=\"https:\/\/www.etymonline.com\/word\/goose#etymonline_v_9053\">Etymonline<\/a>)<\/small><\/small><\/big><\/big><\/big><\/small><small><big><big><big><small><small><\/small><\/small><\/big><\/big><\/big><\/small><\/p>\n<p><small><big><big><big><small><small> <\/small><\/small><\/big><\/big><\/big><\/small> What's good for the gander is good for the goose.<\/p>\n<p><b>Readings<\/b><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>\u201c<a title=\"Permanent link to Of precious swords and Old Sinitic reconstructions\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=24466\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"bookmark noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?hl=en&amp;q=http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p%3D24466&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1514141879654000&amp;usg=AFQjCNEbA1cEd2BCEH7QKfJLwib3HHESdQ\">Of precious swords and Old Sinitic reconstructions<\/a>\u201d (3\/8\/16)<\/li>\n<li>\u201c<a title=\"Permanent link to Of precious swords and Old Sinitic reconstructions, part 2\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=24595\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"bookmark noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?hl=en&amp;q=http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p%3D24595&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1514141879654000&amp;usg=AFQjCNGYsbedkUgfk9kGoBjsz8BDOLaqYg\">Of precious swords and Old Sinitic reconstructions, part 2<\/a>\u201d (3\/12\/16)<\/li>\n<li>\u201c<a title=\"Permanent link to Of precious swords and Old Sinitic reconstructions, part 3\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=24705\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"bookmark noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?hl=en&amp;q=http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p%3D24705&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1514141879654000&amp;usg=AFQjCNE_0UpNKOD7_hihXaABYxF9CrD1qg\">Of precious swords and Old Sinitic reconstructions, part 3<\/a>\u201d (3\/16\/16)<\/li>\n<li>\u201c<a title=\"Permanent link to Of precious swords and Old Sinitic reconstructions, part 4\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=24831\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"bookmark noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?hl=en&amp;q=http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p%3D24831&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1514141879654000&amp;usg=AFQjCNGjEFt4kiBFTVa_SHcAYjxdFARqZQ\">Of precious swords and Old Sinitic reconstructions, part 4<\/a>\u201d (3\/24\/16)<\/li>\n<li>\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Of precious swords and Old Sinitic reconstructions, part 5\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=24918\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"bookmark noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?hl=en&amp;q=http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p%3D24918&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1514141879654000&amp;usg=AFQjCNFvPwzhPLREWMn2henfDIiUFhs1gA\">Of precious swords and Old Sinitic reconstructions, part 5<\/a>\" (3\/28\/16)<\/li>\n<li>\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Of armaments and Old Sinitic reconstructions, part 6\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=35845\" rel=\"bookmark\">Of armaments and Old Sinitic reconstructions, part 6<\/a>\" (12\/23\/17)<\/li>\n<li>\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Of shumai and Old Sinitic reconstructions\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=26756\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"bookmark noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?hl=en&amp;q=http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p%3D26756&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1514141879654000&amp;usg=AFQjCNFcHd-vRROyqqIP0WpsWQAgLsMuwA\">Of shumai and Old Sinitic reconstructions<\/a>\" (7\/19\/16)<\/li>\n<li>\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Of felt hats, feathers, macaroni, and weasels\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=24590\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"bookmark noopener\" data-saferedirecturl=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?hl=en&amp;q=http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p%3D24590&amp;source=gmail&amp;ust=1514141879654000&amp;usg=AFQjCNFVIjsNK0GX4oplZbG9xafxaF-bPA\">Of felt hats, feathers, macaroni, and weasels<\/a>\" (3\/13\/16)<\/li>\n<li>\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Of dogs and Old Sinitic reconstructions\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=36996\" rel=\"bookmark\">Of dogs and Old Sinitic reconstructions<\/a>\" (3\/17\/18)<\/li>\n<li>\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Eurasian eureka\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=28020\" rel=\"bookmark\">Eurasian eureka<\/a>\" (9\/12\/16)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>N.B.:\u00a0 In the above posts and elsewhere, I have discussed the IE parallels of the Sinitic words for \"horse\", \"wheel\", \"magic(ian)\", \"coral\", \"lion\", \"honey\", \"wheat\", \"dog\", and many other key terms of Eurasian civilization.\u00a0 More to come.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I used the expression \"take a gander\" in something I wrote this morning.\u00a0 Curious about its origin, I found this: \"Where Did the Phrase 'Take a Gander' Come From?\" (Today I Found Out [9\/22\/12]) This is an interesting, informative article, from which I learned much, including the PIE root for \"goose\",\u00a0 and the fact that 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