{"id":38101,"date":"2018-05-04T08:51:13","date_gmt":"2018-05-04T13:51:13","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=38101"},"modified":"2018-05-04T09:52:04","modified_gmt":"2018-05-04T14:52:04","slug":"cantonese-is-not-the-mother-tongue-of-hong-kongers","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=38101","title":{"rendered":"Cantonese is not the mother tongue of Hong Kongers"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>So say mainland and government spokespersons.\u00a0 It sounds absurd, but here's the \"reasoning\", as summarized by Bob Bauer:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">Have you heard about HK's latest brouhaha that Cantonese is NOT the mother tongue of HK's Cantonese-speaking population? A bigshot mainland scholar has written that HK Cantonese can't possibly be their mother tongue because it's MERELY a dialect and dialects can't be mother tongues!<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">Yesterday the Chief Executive Carrie Lam was asked by a legislative councilor what her mother tongue was, but she refused to answer his question and said it was pointless!<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Oh, how I detest the word \"dialect\" when it's used irresponsibly, derogatorily, and maliciously like this!<\/p>\n<p>Here are some news reports on this highly contentious matter:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><b>\"<\/b><a href=\"http:\/\/www.thestandard.com.hk\/section-news.php?id=195381&amp;sid=4\">Lam dismisses controversies over education<\/a>\", by Sophie Hui and Riley Chan, The Standard (5\/4\/18)<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\"<a href=\"http:\/\/www.scmp.com\/news\/hong-kong\/politics\/article\/2144578\/should-mandarin-replace-cantonese-hong-kong-says-no\">Should Mandarin replace Cantonese in Hong Kong? No, says Carrie Lam<\/a>:\u00a0 Chief Executive Carrie Lam, education secretary and mainland linguist all dismiss idea that Mandarin will be used to teach Chinese in city\u2019s schools\", by Su Xinqi and Sum Lok-kei, SCMP (5\/3\/18)<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\"<a href=\"http:\/\/www.scmp.com\/news\/hong-kong\/education\/article\/2144548\/hong-kong-leader-carrie-lam-dismisses-speculation-over\">Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam dismisses speculation over changes to controversial liberal studies subject<\/a>:\u00a0 The contentious secondary school subject could reportedly lose its status as a \u2018core subject\u2019 for the Hong Kong Diploma of Secondary Education exam\", by Sum Lok-kei, SCMP (5\/3\/18)<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">Yesterday\u2019s (5\/3\/18) Apple Daily newspaper \u860b\u679c\u65e5\u5831 published the following headline on page A7 (\u860b\u679c\u6e2f\u805e):\u00a0 \"Ji\u00e0o j\u00fa y\u01d0n n\u00e8id\u00ec xu\u00e9zh\u011b: Yu\u00e8y\u01d4 f\u0113i g\u01ceng r\u00e9n m\u01d4y\u01d4 \u6559\u5c40\u5f15\u5185\u5730\u5b78\u8005: \u7cb5\u8a9e\u975e\u6e2f\u4eba\u6bcd\u8a9e\" (\"Education Bureau cites mainland scholar:\u00a0 Cantonese is not the mother tongue of Hong Kongers\")<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">This main article and related ones on the same page present a good account of the matter.<\/p>\n<p><b>Readings<\/b><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Is Cantonese a language, or a personification of the devil?\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=10303\" rel=\"bookmark\">Is Cantonese a language, or a personification of the devil?<\/a>\" (2\/9\/14)<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Spoken Hong Kong Cantonese and written Cantonese\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=6501\" rel=\"bookmark\">Spoken Hong Kong Cantonese and written Cantonese<\/a>\" (8\/29\/13)<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\"<a title=\"Permanent link to English is a Dialect of Germanic; or, The Traitors to Our Common Heritage\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=6654\" rel=\"bookmark\">English is a Dialect of Germanic; or, The Traitors to Our Common Heritage<\/a>\" (9\/4\/13)<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Cantonese and Mandarin are two different languages\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=21415\" rel=\"bookmark\">Cantonese and Mandarin are two different languages<\/a>\" (9\/25\/15)<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Cantonese as Mother Tongue, with a note on Norwegian Bokm\u00e5l\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=9189\" rel=\"bookmark\">Cantonese as Mother Tongue, with a note on Norwegian Bokm\u00e5l<\/a>\" (12\/22\/13)<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Speak Cantonese\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=26137\" rel=\"bookmark\">Speak Cantonese<\/a>\" (6\/10\/16)<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Written Cantonese on a \" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=11220\" rel=\"bookmark\">Written Cantonese on a 'Democracy Wall' at a University in Hong Kong<\/a>\" (3\/21\/14)<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Token Cantonese\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=19019\" rel=\"bookmark\">Token Cantonese<\/a>\" (5\/16\/15)<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Cantonese \" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=21660\" rel=\"bookmark\">Cantonese 'here'<\/a>\" (10\/15\/15)<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Uyghur, Cantonese, and other valuable languages of China\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=24196\" rel=\"bookmark\">Uyghur, Cantonese, and other valuable languages of China<\/a>\" (2\/20\/16)<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Cantonese novels\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=5961\" rel=\"bookmark\">Cantonese novels<\/a>\" (8\/20\/13)<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Cantonese tones\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=31255\" rel=\"bookmark\">Cantonese tones<\/a>\" (2\/25\/17)<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Dialect or Topolect?\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=2423\" rel=\"bookmark\">Dialect or Topolect?<\/a>\" (7\/1\/10) (see the comments by Claw and Jason Cullen)<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\"<a title=\"Permanent link to A quick exit for Cantonese\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=20137\" rel=\"bookmark\">A quick exit for Cantonese<\/a>\" (7\/22\/15)<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Cantonese teachers influenced by Mandarin\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=30319\" rel=\"bookmark\">Cantonese teachers influenced by Mandarin<\/a>\" (1\/9\/17)<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\"<a href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=20516\">Kongish<\/a>\" (8\/6\/15)<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Kongish, ch. 2\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=23662\" rel=\"bookmark\">Kongish, ch. 2<\/a>\" (1\/22\/16)<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Written public cursing in Hong Kong\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=32457\" rel=\"bookmark\">Written public cursing in Hong Kong<\/a>\" (5\/3\/17)<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Eighty-one Cantonese proverbs in one picture\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=10717\" rel=\"bookmark\">Eighty-one Cantonese proverbs in one picture<\/a>\" (2\/27\/14)<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Cantonese as Ebonics\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=9138\" rel=\"bookmark\">Cantonese as Ebonics<\/a>\" (12\/17\/13)<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Cantonese is not dead yet\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=33130\" rel=\"bookmark\">Cantonese is not dead yet<\/a>\" (6\/9\/17)<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Cantonese: still the main spoken language of Hong Kong\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=33511\" rel=\"bookmark\">Cantonese: still the main spoken language of Hong Kong<\/a>\" (7\/1\/17)<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Differing Cantonese and Mandarin readings of the same headline\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=37982\" rel=\"bookmark\">Differing Cantonese and Mandarin readings of the same headline<\/a>\" (4\/30\/18)<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Multiscriptal, multilingual Hong Kong headline\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=38093\" rel=\"bookmark\">Multiscriptal, multilingual Hong Kong headline<\/a>\" (5\/4\/18)<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\"<a title=\"Permanent link to Mother Tongue: lost and found\" href=\"http:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/?p=16449\" rel=\"bookmark\">Mother Tongue: lost and found<\/a>\" (12\/15\/14)<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">\"<a href=\"http:\/\/www.pinyin.info\/readings\/mair\/taiwanese.html\">How to Forget Your Mother Tongue and Remember Your National Language<\/a>\" (pinyin.info)<\/p>\n<p>[Thanks to Bob Bauer, Mark Metcalf, and John Lagerwey]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>So say mainland and government spokespersons.\u00a0 It sounds absurd, but here's the \"reasoning\", as summarized by Bob Bauer: Have you heard about HK's latest brouhaha that Cantonese is NOT the mother tongue of HK's Cantonese-speaking population? A bigshot mainland scholar has written that HK Cantonese can't possibly be their mother tongue because it's MERELY a [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":13,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_exactmetrics_skip_tracking":false,"_exactmetrics_sitenote_active":false,"_exactmetrics_sitenote_note":"","_exactmetrics_sitenote_category":0,"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[16,224],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-38101","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-language-and-politics","category-topolects"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/38101","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/13"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=38101"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/38101\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":38114,"href":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/38101\/revisions\/38114"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=38101"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=38101"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu\/nll\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=38101"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}