0:00 >> AND JOINING ME NOW IS THE 
0:01 FORMER DIRECTOR OF STRATEGIC 
0:04 COMMUNICATIONS FOR THE 2020 
0:05 TRUMP CAMPAIGN. 
0:06 MARK LAWEDER ALSO WORKS WITH 
0:08 AMERICA FIRST POLICY INSTITUTE, 
0:09 A TRUMP-FRIENDLY GROUP WELCOMING 
0:11 THE EX-PRESIDENT TO WASHINGTON 
0:12 FOR A SPEECH THAT IS SET FOR 
0:14 THIS TUESDAY. 
0:14 IT WILL BE TRUMP'S FIRST VISIT 
0:16 TO WASHINGTON SINCE HE LEFT 
0:18 POWER IN JANUARY OF LAST YEAR. 
0:20 MARK, I HAVE TO START BY ASKING 
0:22 YOU THIS WHY INVITE TRUMP BACK 
0:24 TO WASHINGTON AFTER HE TRIED TO 
0:25 PULL OFF A COUP ON JANUARY 6. 
0:27 >> HE'S STILL THE LEADER OF THE 
0:29 AMERICA FIRST MOVEMENT. 
0:30 HE IS THE VISIONARY BEHIND MANY 
0:32 OF THE POLICIES THAT GOT HIM 
0:33 ELECTED TO THE WHITE HOUSE. 
0:34 AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S 
0:36 GOING ON IN AMERICA RIGHT NOW, 
0:37 SO MANY PEOPLE ARE CLAMORING FOR 
0:40 THAT LEADERSHIP BACK. 
0:43 THEY WANT CHEAP GAS, SOARING 
0:45 STOCK MARKETS AND NOT WHAT WE 
0:47 HAVE NOW. 
0:48 SO TO GIVE VOICE TO THAT AGENDA, 
0:50 TO LAY IT OUT FOR THE 
0:52 CONGRESSIONAL MIDTERMS AND 
0:53 BEYOND I THINK THERE'S NOBODY 
0:54 BETTER THAN THE FORMER PRESIDENT 
0:55 TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. 
0:58 >> IT'S LIKE HE'S RETURNING TO 
0:59 THE SCENE OF THE CRIME. 
1:00 >> HE LEFT OFFICE -- 
1:01 >>TINCITED AN INSURRECTION. 
1:07 >> HE LEFT OFFICE ON JANUARY 
1:09 20th. 1:09 WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT I 
1:11 THINK IS ENTIRELY UP TO THE 
1:13 VOTERS AND THE PRESIDENT AND ANY 
1:16 OTHER PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE 
1:17 GETTING INTO THE RACE. 
1:18 THE ONE THING WE KNOW THE 
1:20 POLICIES WORKED. 
1:20 WHAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON IS REALLY 
1:23 SETTING THAT STAGE, LAYING OUT 
1:24 THAT POLICY FRAMEWORK TO GET 
1:26 BACK TO THOSE WINNING POLICIES 
1:28 AND PRESIDENT TRUMP IS STILL ONE 
1:31 OF THE LEADERS IF NOT THE 
1:32 BIGGEST NAME IN THAT MOVEMENT. 
1:34 >> SETTING ASIDE THE DEBATE 
1:35 WHETHER THE POLICIES WORK, THERE 
1:37 ARE A LOT OF REPUBLICANS, A LOT 
1:39 OF TRUMP ADVISERS WHO WILL SAY 
1:41 THE FORMER PRESIDENT EVISCERATED 
1:43 HIS LEGACY WHEN HE TRIED TO PULL 
1:45 OFF A COUP ON JANUARY 6. 
1:47 SO WHY BRING HIM TO WASHINGTON? 
1:51 >> WELL -- 
1:52 >> ISN'T THERE SOMETHING JUST 
1:53 WRONG ABOUT DONALD TRUMP SHOWING 
1:54 UP IN WASHINGTON AFTER WHAT 
1:55 HAPPENED ON JANUARY 6? 
1:56 >> I THINK REGARDLESS OF WHETHER 
1:58 YOU AGREE WITH THE FORMER 
1:59 PRESIDENT OR ANY FORMER 
2:00 POLITICIAN, THEY HOLD A CERTAIN 
2:02 STANDING. 
2:02 IF YOU WANT TO OUTLINE YOUR 
2:06 POLICY VISION, OTHER FORMER 
2:07 PRESIDENTS DO THAT AS WELL. 
2:08 >> HE DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME 
2:09 STANDING AS A FORMER PRESIDENT 
2:11 BUSH OR FORMER PRESIDENT OBAMA. 
2:13 >> WELL, I THINK THAT'S IN THE 
2:14 MINDS OF THE MEDIA. 
2:17 IF HE DECIDES TO RUN, IF HE 
2:18 DECIDES NOT TO RUN, LET THE 
2:20 VOTERS DECIDE THAT. 
2:21 THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE 
2:23 LEARNED FROM 2016 IS ALL OF THE 
2:25 PUNDITS ON BOTH SIDES AND ACROSS 
2:27 THE MEDIA SPECTRUM, THEY WERE 
2:29 MAKING THE DECISION THIS MAN 
2:30 SHOULD BE THE NOMINEE OR THIS 
2:31 PERSON SHOULD NOT BE THE NOMINEE 
2:33 AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN FROM 2016 
2:37 WE'RE EVEN SEEING IN THE PRIMARY 
2:38 CYCLES TODAY THE VOTERS WILL 
2:40 DECIDE WHO THEY BELIEVE WILL 
2:41 CARRY THEIR VOICE TO WASHINGTON, 
2:43 D.C., OR STATE HOUSES. 
2:45 AND I THINK HAVING PRESIDENT 
2:47 TRUMP LEAD THAT CHARGE FROM A 
2:49 POLICY STANDPOINT, LAY OUT -- 
2:50 >> THE PROBLEM IS HE LED THE 
2:51 CHARGE ON JANUARY 6. 
2:55 HE CALLED INSURRECTIONISTS OFF 
2:58 TO THE CAPITOL AND THEY DEFACED, 
3:02 DEFECATED OUR DEMOCRACY. 
3:03 >> AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S 
3:05 GOING ON OUT THERE ACROSS 
3:06 AMERICA, THAT'S MOTT WHAT 
3:07 THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT RIGHT NOW. 
3:09 I THINK, WHAT, 17 MILLION PEOPLE 
3:11 WATCHED THE LAST PRIME TIME 
3:13 HEARING. 
3:13 THAT'S 90% OF PEOPLE WHO VOTED 
3:15 IN THE 2020 ELECTION AREN'T EVEN 
3:17 WATCHING THESE HEARINGS RIGHT 
3:18 NOW. 
3:18 IT'S ONE IN TEN. 
3:21 SO MOST OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE 
3:22 OUT THERE ARE TALKING ABOUT GAS 
3:24 PRICES AND GROCERY STORE PRICES 
3:26 AND WORRIED ABOUT THE ECONOMY. 
3:27 THEY'RE NOT FOCUSED, UNLIKE IN 
3:30 WASHINGTON, D.C., ON EVERYTHING 
3:31 THAT HAPPENS WITH THE JANUARY 
3:33 6th COMMITTEE. 
3:33 >> ACCORDING TO THE COMMITTEE 
3:38 TRUMP STAYED HOLED UP WATCHING 
3:39 TELEVISION MORE THAN THREE 
3:40 HOURS, UNWILLING TO TELL THE 
3:42 INSURRECTIONISTS TO GO HOME 
3:43 BECAUSE THEY WERE, QUOTE, HIS 
3:44 PEOPLE. 
3:45 TRUMP NEVER MADE A SINGLE CALL 
3:46 TO LAW ENFORCEMENT, THE 
3:48 PENTAGON, EVEN TO CHECK ON HIS 
3:49 OWN VICE PRESIDENT, MIKE PENCE. 
3:51 LET'S LISTEN TO SOME OF THIS 
3:52 RIGHT NOW. 
3:55 >> ON THE SCREEN IS THE LAST 
3:57 PHOTOGRAPH OF THE PRESIDENT THAT 
3:58 NIGHT AS HE WENT INTO THE 
4:01 RESIDENCE. 
4:01 AS HE WAS GATHERING HIS THINGS 
4:03 IN THE DINING ROOM TO LEAVE 
4:04 PRESIDENT TRUMP REFLECTED ON THE 
4:06 DAY'S EVENTS WITH THE WHITE 
4:08 HOUSE EMPLOYEE. 
4:09 PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID NOTHING TO 
4:12 THE EMPLOYEE ABOUT THE ATTACK. 
4:14 HE SAID ONLY, QUOTE, MIKE PENCE 
4:17 LET ME DOWN. 
4:20 >> NOW, MARC, YOU USED TO WORK 
4:23 WITH MIKE PENCE FOR MANY YEARS. 
4:25 WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO THAT? 
4:27 AT THE END OF THE DAY, AFTER ALL 
4:28 OF THAT, ALL TRUMP HAD TO SAY 
4:30 WAS MIKE PENCE LET ME DOWN? 
4:32 HE DEPARTMENT LET DOWN DONALD 
4:35 TRUMP. 
4:35 HE TACTUALLIED STOOD UP FOR THE 
4:37 COUNTRY. 
4:38 >> AND THE VICE PRESIDENT LAID 
4:39 THIS OUT IN THAT LETTER HE WROTE 
4:40 AND RELEASED THAT DAY ON WHAT HE 
4:43 THOUGHT THE CONSTITUTION SAID. 
4:45 OBVIOUSLY MOST PEOPLE TEND TO 
4:46 AGREE WITH THAT. 
4:47 AND HE'S SAID MANY TIMES HE AND 
4:49 THE FORMER PRESIDENT WILL 
4:50 PROBABLY NEVER AGREE ON THE 
4:51 EVENTS OF JANUARY 6. 
4:53 THE BIGGEST THING I TAKE AWAY 
4:55 FROM THIS, I COMPARE THIS 
4:57 HEARING TO A GRAND JURY. 
4:58 WE ARE ONLY SEEING ONE SIDE OF 
4:59 THE STORY. 
5:00 WE'RE GETTING THE PROSECUTION 
5:01 SIDE OF THE STORY AND -- 
5:04 >> KEVIN McCARTHY HAD A CHANCE 
5:06 TO PUT PEOPLE ON THIS COMMITTEE. 
5:08 >> BUT WE'RE STILL ONLY 
5:10 SELECTIVELY SEEING THEIR 
5:14 NARRATIVE, AND SO THEY INTERVIEW 
5:15 PAT CIPOLLONE FOR THE WHITE 
5:16 HOUSE COUNSEL FOR EIGHT OR NINE 
5:18 HOURS. 
5:18 WE SEE A FEW SOUNDBITES. 
5:21 "THE NEW YORK TIMES" HAS WRITTEN 
5:21 A STORY THAT THE PRODUCER THAT 
5:24 WAS HIRED TO PUT THIS TV SHOW ON 
5:25 WAS LOOKING HOW TO FIT THE 
5:30 SOUNDBITES INTO THEIR NARRATIVE. 
5:31 IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THEY ARE 
5:33 EVEN DESIGNED TO GET TO THE 
5:35 TRUTH BUT TELL A STORY THEY'VE 
5:36 ALREADY SAID. 
5:37 I READ SOMEWHERE IN THE MAJOR 
5:39 MEDIA THEY DIDN'T EVEN MENTION 
5:40 IN THE HEARINGS, AND I DIDN'T 
5:42 GET TO SEE THE WHOLE THING, THEY 
5:44 DIDN'T MENTION THE PRESIDENT DID 
5:45 TWEET TWICE DURING THOSE 187 
5:47 MINUTES TO SAY, STAY PEACEFUL, 
5:50 WE'RE ABOUT LAW AND ORDER, 
5:52 RESPECT THE POLICE. 
5:53 >> SARAH MATTHEWS TESTIFIED, SHE 
5:54 WAS ONE OF THOSE FOLKS WHO WAS 
5:57 IN THE WHITE HOUSE, A WHITE 
5:58 HOUSE STAFFER AT THE TIME, SHE 
5:59 WAS TESTIFYING SHE WAS TOLD 
6:01 TRUMP DIDN'T WANT TO TWEET OUT 
6:03 THAT STAY PEACEFUL MESSAGE. 
6:06 THERE WERE OTHER MEMBERS, PAT 
6:08 CIPOLLONE, YOU JUST MENTIONED, 
6:09 WAS ESSENTIALLY -- TRUMP WAS 
6:11 ESSENTIALLY THE ONLY PERSON 
6:12 INSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE WHO DID 
6:13 NOT WANT THE INSURRECTIONISTS TO 
6:15 GO HOME. 
6:16 EVERYONE ELSE WANTED THEM TO GO 
6:17 HOME. 
6:23 DO YOU BELIEVE TRUMP LOST THE 
6:27 ELECTION? 
6:28 >> NO QUESTION. 
6:29 JOE BIDEN IS IN THE OFFICE. 
6:32 AMERICA WATCHED. 
6:33 >> BUT, MARC, OF COURSE JOE 
6:35 BIDEN IS IN THE OVAL OFFICE. 
6:37 DID DONALD TRUMP LOSE THE 
6:38 ELECTION, YES OR NO? 
6:38 >> YES. 
6:40 HE LOST THE ELECTION. 
6:41 >> OKAY. 
6:45 AND WHY CAN'T TRUMP ACKNOWLEDGE 
6:47 THAT? 
6:47 THE DAY AFTER JANUARY 6 HE WAS 
6:49 NOT WILLING TO SAY THAT HE LOST 
6:50 THE ELECTION. 
6:53 HE WAS NOT WILLING TO SAY HE 
6:54 LOST A FAIR ELECTION. 
6:57 >> WE SAW THE WISCONSIN SUPREME 
6:59 COURT OVERRULE SAYING THE USE OF 
7:01 THE BALLOT BOXES WAS OUTSIDE OF 
7:03 THE LEGISLATIVE PROCESS AND IT 
7:04 WENT TOO FAR. 
7:07 THERE WERE MANY QUESTIONS GOING 
7:08 ON IN MANY STATES. 
7:09 THAT DOES NOT PROVE FRAUD. 
7:10 I AM NOT MAKING THAT POINT. 
7:12 THERE WERE EXTRAORDINARY STEPS 
7:14 THAT DID LEAD TO QUESTIONS FOR 
7:17 MANY PEOPLE. 
7:17 >> NO, NO, NO, THIS WAS A FREE 
7:20 AND FAIR ELECTION. 
7:22 THAT'S BEEN SAID REPEATEDLY BY 
7:24 CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS, TRUMP 
7:27 REPUBLICANS WHO HAVE NOW LOST 
7:27 FAITH IN DONALD TRUMP. 
7:33 I THINK THE KEY OVERARCHING 
7:35 ISSUE HERE, MARC, WHY BRING 
7:37 DONALD TRUMP TO WASHINGTON? 
7:42 WHY BRING HIM TO WASHINGTON IF 
7:44 HE'S STILL AT THESE RALLIES, 
7:46 THESE SPEECHES SAYING THESE 
7:48 COCKAMAMY THINGS THAT HE WON THE 
7:52 ELECTION AND IT WAS STOLEN FROM 
7:53 HIM, WHY BRING HIM TO THE 
7:55 NATION'S CAPITOL? 
7:59 >> IT'S MORE AKIN TO THE STATE 
7:59 OF THE UNION WHERE HE WILL LAY 
8:00 OUT HIS VISION. 
8:01 >> WHAT'S HIS POLICY GOING TO 
8:02 BE? 
8:02 HOW TO DO A COUP? 
8:04 >> GETTING GAS PRICES DOWN, 
8:06 GROWING PEOPLE'S PAYCHECKS, 
8:07 SEALING OUR BORDER, BRINGING 
8:09 BACK LAW AND ORDER TO OUR CRIME 
8:11 PLAGUED CITIES. 
8:14 THE THINGS ON THE MINDS OF THE 
8:19 AMERICAN PEOPLE. 
8:20 >> YOU DON'T THINK THERE'S 
8:22 SOMETHING CRASS ABOUT BRINGING 
8:23 DONALD TRUMP HERE? 
8:23 >> I THINK AS A CITIZEN YOU HAVE 
8:25 YOUR RIGHT TO VOICE YOUR 
8:27 OPINION, TO LAY YOUR POLICY 
8:29 VISION WHETHER IT'S IN NEW YORK 
8:30 CITY OR ANYWHERE IN THE 
8:33 HEARTLAND. 
8:33 HE IS THE LEADER OF THE AMERICA 
8:36 FIRST MOVEMENT. 
8:37 >> WOULDN'T YOU RATHER SEE MIKE 
8:39 PENCE AS THE STANDARD-BEARER? 
8:41 >> I BELIEVE MIKE PENCE IS AT A 
8:44 DIFFERENT ORGANIZATION BUT 
8:45 THAT'S THE GREAT THING. 
8:46 WE HAVE SUCH A STRONG BENCH. 
8:47 WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE OUT 
8:48 THERE. 
8:50 THEY ARE ALL SINGING FROM THE 
8:51 SAME SONG PAGE WHEN IT COMES TO 
8:52 THE POLICIES WE HAVE TO DO. 
8:56 THEY'LL DECIDE WHO THE 
8:58 STANDARD-BEARER IS OR WHO IS 
9:00 GOING TO CONTROL CONGRESS IN 
9:01 JANUARY OF NEXT YEAR. 
9:06 AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THAT DEBATE. 
9:08 I THINK THE GOOD THING IS PEOPLE 
9:09 ARE TALKING ABOUT THE POLICY 
9:09 SIDE. 
9:13 WE'LL DEAL WITH THE PERSON WHO 
9:15 HEADS THE PERSON AT A LATER 
9:18 DATE. 
9:18 >> WE HAVE SOME OF THOSE POLICY 
9:19 SUBJECTS IN THERE. 
9:20 THANK YOU VERY MUCH.